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rpirtle Sun Jan 06, 2013 02:11am
Illegal dribble or not..??
 
This question is getting different responses on another discussion board I frequent. I wanted to run this play by you guys to see what you think.

Player A1 while dribbling loses the dribble and the ball comes to a complete stop on the floor. Then player A1...with a open palm...hits the ball and makes it bounce off the floor and continues to dribble. Ruling: double dribble or not?

JetMetFan Sun Jan 06, 2013 02:19am
Define "loses the dribble." How did he/she lose it?

canuckrefguy Sun Jan 06, 2013 02:23am
Quote:
Originally Posted by rpirtle (Post 870348)
This question is getting different responses on another discussion board I frequent. I wanted to run this play by you guys to see what you think.

Player A1 while dribbling loses the dribble and the ball comes to a complete stop on the floor. Then player A1...with a open palm...hits the ball and makes it bounce off the floor and continues to dribble. Ruling: double dribble or not?
Not. Play on.

rpirtle Sun Jan 06, 2013 02:45am
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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 870349)
Define "loses the dribble." How did he/she lose it?
Let's assume the ball bounces off his (or her) foot...but for some crazy reason doesn't fly off out of bounds. It just rolls a little ways...and then stops.

Camron Rust Sun Jan 06, 2013 05:52am
Legal. None of the actions that end the dribble have occured and no other player has touched the ball. They may resume the dribble if they desire.

Scrapper1 Sun Jan 06, 2013 06:44am
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 870357)
Legal. None of the actions that end the dribble have occured and no other player has touched the ball. They may resume the dribble if they desire.
Agreed.

bob jenkins Sun Jan 06, 2013 08:55am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 870357)
Legal. None of the actions that end the dribble have occured and no other player has touched the ball. They may resume the dribble if they desire.
Well, a dribble does end when "the ball comes to rest." Maybe some aren't reading beyond that. ;)

Raymond Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:34am
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Originally Posted by rpirtle (Post 870348)
This question is getting different responses on another discussion board I frequent. I wanted to run this play by you guys to see what you think.
...
Shame on you, slinking around the minor leagues instead of coming straight to the one and only major league.

Mark Padgett Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:48am
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Originally Posted by rpirtle (Post 870348)
This question is getting different responses on another discussion board I frequent.
They're not going to know this rule over on the Dr. Seuss board. The rule is the rule, so don't be a fool. :p

Adam Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:52am
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 870370)
Shame on you, slinking around the minor leagues instead of coming straight to the one and only major league.
I'm wondering about the reasoning for those claiming it's illegal.

just another ref Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:02pm
Better to know what you would or wouldn't call, I suppose, but this one is also in the "if this ever really happens, let us know" category.

Scrapper1 Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:47pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 870367)
Well, a dribble does end when "the ball comes to rest." Maybe some aren't reading beyond that. ;)
"You may say that I'm a dreamer, but I'm not" -- John Lennon

BillyMac Sun Jan 06, 2013 01:19pm
For Clarification Purposes ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 870367)
Well, a dribble does end when "the ball comes to rest." Maybe some aren't reading beyond that.
The dribble ends when:
a. The dribbler catches or causes the ball to come to rest in one or both hands.
b. The dribbler palms/carries the ball by allowing it to come to rest in one or both hands.
c. The dribbler simultaneously touches the ball with both hands.
d. The ball touches or is touched by an opponent and causes the dribbler to lose control.
e. The ball becomes dead.

BktBallRef Sun Jan 06, 2013 02:14pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by rpirtle (Post 870348)
This question is getting different responses on another discussion board I frequent. I wanted to run this play by you guys to see what you think.

Player A1 while dribbling loses the dribble and the ball comes to a complete stop on the floor. Then player A1...with a open palm...hits the ball and makes it bounce off the floor and continues to dribble. Ruling: double dribble or not?
Did you look in the rule book to determine when the dribble ends?

rpirtle Sun Jan 06, 2013 03:04pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 870371)
They're not going to know this rule over on the Dr. Seuss board. The rule is the rule, so don't be a fool. :p
It's not THAT discussion board. Just a Facebook discussion board for officials around our local area.

rpirtle Sun Jan 06, 2013 03:10pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam (Post 870378)
I'm wondering about the reasoning for those claiming it's illegal.
It is the fact that the ball is laying on the ground part (essentially "coming to rest") that I'm having trouble with. Also, an important part of the definition of a dribble is missing which includes" ball movement".

rpirtle Sun Jan 06, 2013 03:15pm
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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 870380)
Better to know what you would or wouldn't call, I suppose, but this one is also in the "if this ever really happens, let us know" category.
This scenario was supposedly witnessed by the official that posted it. The officials allowed it.

rpirtle Sun Jan 06, 2013 03:17pm
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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 870417)
Did you look in the rule book to determine when the dribble ends?
Yes, I did. Thank you for the information. ;-)

just another ref Sun Jan 06, 2013 03:23pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by rpirtle (Post 870435)
This scenario was supposedly witnessed by the official that posted it. The officials allowed it.
I had read this before as a hypothetical. I thought that was what we were dealing with here.

One thing which has not been mentioned: If the ball is truly resting on the floor, it is not that easy to start/resume a dribble by slapping it. A natural next step in the attempt to do so would be the use of a fist, which we all know is not allowed.

chicodork Sun Jan 06, 2013 04:09pm
A1 is dribbling, and B1 slaps it away, and A1 runs over and secures it with two hands. Can A1 still dribble?

BktBallRef Sun Jan 06, 2013 04:48pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by rpirtle (Post 870438)
Yes, I did. Thank you for the information. ;-)
Then you should have your answer. The dribble did not end.

Quote:
Originally Posted by chicodork (Post 870453)
A1 is dribbling, and B1 slaps it away, and A1 runs over and secures it with two hands. Can A1 still dribble?
Did you look in the rule book to determine when the dribble ends?


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