No Good T Stories?

[jTheUmp]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

3 Ts so far this year.

2 for adding numbers to the book in the waning moments of the game when the scrubs were being subbed in.

1 on a coach for ABS.

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

2 different games or the same game?

If it's the same game, is that 1 T or 2?

I thought book administrations were 1 T no matter how many infractions.

2 different games.
First one was a varsity game, about 2 minutes left on the clock. Visiting Coach was incensed, claiming that the home scorekeeper 'copied the names and numbers off the varsity roster, and NOT the names he had in his scorebook'. Home scorekeeper (the AD, incidentally), claimed that he was never given the visitors scorebook. That was fun. (He had to add a second number to the scorebook a minute later, and the Home Coach wanted a second T.

You are correct; only one technical is given to a team for roster issues, regardless of how many changes need to be made. (10-1-2)

The second one was in a JV game 3 days later. Coach was completely understanding and even apologetic, because "it's my fault, I didn't give the scorekeeper the correct list". That game, incidentally, also happened to be the game where I gave out the ABS T (to the other coach).

[Terrapins Fan]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

2 different games.
First one was a varsity game, about 2 minutes left on the clock. Visiting Coach was incensed, claiming that the home scorekeeper 'copied the names and numbers off the varsity roster, and NOT the names he had in his scorebook'. Home scorekeeper (the AD, incidentally), claimed that he was never given the visitors scorebook. That was fun. (He had to add a second number to the scorebook a minute later, and the Home Coach wanted a second T.

When the R meets the coaches, we take the book to the coach and say " Coach are these your players for tonight and are their numbers correct?"

They almost always say "yes". Case closed.

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

When the R meets the coaches, we take the book to the coach and say " Coach are these your players for tonight and are their numbers correct?"

They almost always say "yes". Case closed.

I mark through the remaining spaces and write down how many players are listed. I then take the book to both coaches and have them verify their players, numbers and starters. If they are satisfied I have them initial at the bottom.

[Rich]

All of this (book checking and verification) is local.

Back when I officiated in TN, we took the book back to the other side of the court and verified every number on the floor and ensured that the book was perfect.

Now, I count up the total number of players and only concern myself if there are more warming up than there are listed in the book. It's on the coach if there's an error beyond this.

I like putting the responsibility on the coach, myself.

[DLH17]

Originally Posted by Rich

All of this (book checking and verification) is local.

Back when I officiated in TN, we took the book back to the other side of the court and verified every number on the floor and ensured that the book was perfect.

Now, I count up the total number of players and only concern myself if there are more warming up than there are listed in the book. It's on the coach if there's an error beyond this.

I like putting the responsibility on the coach, myself.

Same here. Similar to asking coaches if their players are properly and legally equipped. They say "yes" and I'm done with it. What happens beyond that is on the coach. I asked, he answered. He assumes the risk now, not me.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by DLH17

Same here. Similar to asking coaches if their players are properly and legally equipped. They say "yes" and I'm done with it. What happens beyond that is on the coach. I asked, he answered. He assumes the risk now, not me.

He assumes the risk whether I ask him or not.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

All of this (book checking and verification) is local.

Not everything is local, some things are personal. I do this but no mandate from anyone to do this. I also do this and make sure the coach reviews this so they can correct any silly mistake. And fortunately in the last few years that I have been doing this, I have prevented several Ts that would have been given if we went with what was in the book. But not everyone does this or is even advocated by a group or evaluator. It was suggested by people I respect and thought I would try it. Been doing it ever since.

Peace

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Not everything is local, some things are personal. I do this but no mandate from anyone to do this. I also do this and make sure the coach reviews this so they can correct any silly mistake. And fortunately in the last few years that I have been doing this, I have prevented several Ts that would have been given if we went with what was in the book. But not everyone does this or is even advocated by a group or evaluator. It was suggested by people I respect and thought I would try it. Been doing it ever since.

Peace

I agree. No one has ever told me to do this but I've got nothing else really going on at this time so if I can help make a cleaner start to the game I think it is worth while.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Not everything is local, some things are personal. I do this but no mandate from anyone to do this. I also do this and make sure the coach reviews this so they can correct any silly mistake. And fortunately in the last few years that I have been doing this, I have prevented several Ts that would have been given if we went with what was in the book. But not everyone does this or is even advocated by a group or evaluator. It was suggested by people I respect and thought I would try it. Been doing it ever since.

Peace

Happened to me yesterday.
The official scorer missed a name while transcribing from the visiting teams book. The numbers were off. Glad I caught it so that we didn't have to deal with it later.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Happened to me yesterday.
The official scorer missed a name while transcribing from the visiting teams book. The numbers were off. Glad I caught it so that we didn't have to deal with it later.

While it's definitely better to catch it sooner than later, this would not have been a T later, either.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich

I count up the total number of players and only concern myself if there are more warming up than there are listed in the book.

Same here in my little corner of Connecticut, in addition to checking for illegal, and duplicate, numbers.