"Jim Marshall" Play

letemplay

Nothing else to do or should do. Team should figure it out on their own. I've seen this play run a few times over the years, most successfully at the start of the 2nd half when home team has arrow and visitors are a bit late coming out of huddle and somewhat disoriented as this is not their home floor. I've been the administering official when home coach told me what they were going to do and that they knew which direction they were going, I guess hoping I would not over emphasize direction White was headed. I've also coached it before to limited success. I would not run it if my team had a comfortable lead and/or expected to continue that way or was a fairly local opponent and I wanted to stay friendly with their coach. At certain lower levels, I look at it as a bit of unsportsmanlike play, although I know of nothing in the rules saying as much. Funny thing, once it was all set up to work, only to have a fan or parent (of ours!) jump up and scream bloody murder that we were about to go the wrong way😃

just another ref

Freddy wrote
I've seen it no fewer than six times from them.

How many times successfully?

maven

Determine your routine for throw-ins and use it every time the same way. I typically say the color and point when each team comes out of time-out or intermission.

Rich

I emphasize color and direction before every such throw in, so hopefully the team who is to be the "victim" of this catches on from my usual announcement.

If they don't, I can't really control that. Hasn't happened in any of my games, though.

JetMetFan

Same. It's not our responsibility to tell the teams which direction they're going coming out of a time out. That's what coaches are for.

This season marked the first time - H.S. or NCAAW - I've had a team screw this up and score against itself in one of my games. Home team inbounds the ball. A2, realizing there's no one between him and the basket he and his teammates had been defending, drives in a scores. My partner and I stopped things momentarily just to let the table know the goal counted and the scorers needed to put a notation in their books. Otherwise, life continued as normal.

Freddy

just another ref wrote
How many times successfully?

All. At least six times. Don't recall if it was ever done twice against the same team. Was only done when game still undecided.

Adam

Bush league play. But like the throw in play where A2 walks down loudly proclaiming "Coach wants me to throw it in" after A1 has the ball for the throw in, there's nothing to do about it.

tjones1

I don't think it's a Bush League play.

Know where you're suppose to be and don't follow others. If you're listening/watching, thinking, and communicating with your teammates, you should figure it out.

just another ref

I think you have to be playing in a bush league for this to work more than once in a blue moon.

Freddy

just another ref wrote
I think you have to be playing in a bush league for this to work more than once in a blue moon.

The fact that it's JV level no doubt contributes to its frequent success over the past six or seven years.

just another ref

Freddy wrote
The fact that it's JV level no doubt contributes to its frequent success over the past six or seven years.

A jv coach should know better and be more on the ball than to let this happen to his team.

letemplay

Adam wrote
Bush league play. But like the throw in play where A2 walks down loudly proclaiming "Coach wants me to throw it in" after A1 has the ball for the throw in, there's nothing to do about it.

I like that one too. Would prob try it before the "barking dog"😃

bob jenkins

letemplay wrote
I like that one too. Would prob try it before the "barking dog"😃

Good, because the "barking dog" play is illegal.

BillyMac

bob jenkins wrote
Good, because the "barking dog" play is illegal.

I remember that this "play" was declared illegal, and I'm not disagreeing with you because I always listen to bob, but do you have a citation to back it up for the rookies?

tjones1

BillyMac wrote
I remember that this "play" was declared illegal, and I'm not disagreeing with you because I always listen to bob, but do you have a citation to back it up for the rookies?

I believe it was part of the yearly interps. Trying to locate now.

tjones1

Just went through the archive and can't find it.

Maybe it was part of the Pre-Season Guide one year?

BillyMac

tjones1 wrote
Just went through the archive and can't find it.

http://forum.officiating.com/basketball/51947-dog-barks.html#post584095

tjones1

BillyMac wrote
http://forum.officiating.com/basketball/51947-dog-barks.html#post584095

Bingo... knew it appeared in a Pre-Season Guide. Thanks.

Jesse James

tjones1 wrote
I don't think it's a Bush League play.

Know where you're suppose to be and don't follow others. If you're listening/watching, thinking, and communicating with your teammates, you should figure it out.

Agreed. If this is a bush league play, then so is a shot fake or a backcut.

How dare they try to fool the opposition by playing within the rules.

26 Year Gap

It is up to the coach to catch on. A kid shooting at the wrong basket happens occasionally. However, as officials, we cannot shout out, "Don't shoot! You are at the wrong basket!" This falls into the same category.
As an aside, at a JV game prior to mine a few weeks ago, a team scored TWICE at the wrong end. My partner and I agreed that it sure would have been great if it were two different players. Not sure it was. We left it alone.