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BillyMac Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:35pm

Will We Need Nevadaref's Help To Track This Down ???
 
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 869565)
Good, because the "barking dog" play is illegal.

I remember that this "play" was declared illegal, and I'm not disagreeing with you because I always listen to bob, but do you have a citation to back it up for the rookies?

tjones1 Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:46pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 869576)
I remember that this "play" was declared illegal, and I'm not disagreeing with you because I always listen to bob, but do you have a citation to back it up for the rookies?

I believe it was part of the yearly interps. Trying to locate now.

tjones1 Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:49pm

Just went through the archive and can't find it.

Maybe it was part of the Pre-Season Guide one year?

BillyMac Wed Jan 02, 2013 01:12pm

Barking Up The Wrong Tree ...
 
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Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 869580)
Just went through the archive and can't find it.

http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...tml#post584095

tjones1 Wed Jan 02, 2013 01:17pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 869585)

Bingo... knew it appeared in a Pre-Season Guide. Thanks.

Jesse James Wed Jan 02, 2013 01:38pm

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Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 869535)
I don't think it's a Bush League play.

Know where you're suppose to be and don't follow others. If you're listening/watching, thinking, and communicating with your teammates, you should figure it out.

Agreed. If this is a bush league play, then so is a shot fake or a backcut.

How dare they try to fool the opposition by playing within the rules.

26 Year Gap Wed Jan 02, 2013 05:50pm

It is up to the coach to catch on. A kid shooting at the wrong basket happens occasionally. However, as officials, we cannot shout out, "Don't shoot! You are at the wrong basket!" This falls into the same category.
As an aside, at a JV game prior to mine a few weeks ago, a team scored TWICE at the wrong end. My partner and I agreed that it sure would have been great if it were two different players. Not sure it was. We left it alone.

icallfouls Wed Jan 02, 2013 05:57pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 869554)
A jv coach should know better and be more on the ball than to let this happen to his team.

Maybe we should send an anonymous letter to the league commissioner, the principal, and the head coach that the jv coach who fell for this tactic should have his fingernails pulled out as punishment for not instructing his team which basket they should be defending ;)

Thanks Devon!

BktBallRef Wed Jan 02, 2013 09:06pm

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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 869515)
Same. It's not our responsibility to tell the teams which direction they're going coming out of a time out. That's what coaches are for.

Really? We're not supposed to say the color and point when each team comes out of time-out or intermission?

CMHCoachNRef Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:19pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 869675)
Really? We're not supposed to say the color and point when each team comes out of time-out or intermission?

I think that JetMet is really saying that it is not our responsibility to REMIND EACH TEAM which direction they are going following each time out. This play is only marginally different from the stack "loop" sideline inbounds play in which a player cuts back toward the backcourt and then loops around (frequently with the help of a screen) toward their attacking basket.

I had BOTH TEAMS in a 5th grade travel game go the wrong way following a throw-in after a timeout. And, YES, I clearly indicated with a signal and a verbal indication the direction of the team taking the throw-in. The throw-in team shot at the wrong basket. The other team got the rebound and went rapidly toward the division line. That team's coach yelled, "there going the wrong way" -- to which I responded, "I know." Fortunately, for him, he called time out BEFORE the player committed a violation.

The coach of the throw-in team was LIVID -- at HIS OWN TEAM -- as he actually had set up an inbounds play that they did not execute!!! As a coach, I have called many, many plays (like the "loop" play or screen-the-screener under the basket) that are 100% designed to deceive the defense into thinking my player was doing one thing when he was really doing something completely different.

This play is little different. This is a COACH problem -- for the defending team!!!

jeremy341a Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:39am

A friend of mine was on a team in high school and run this play. Only they called it "ACT" in reference to the ACT test bc they said their opponents and rivals weren't smart enough to know it was coming.

On a side note the coachs of each team were former high school teammates.

deecee Thu Jan 03, 2013 03:18pm

When I coached freshman basketball I tried to run this play once and ended up getting a T.

I told my guys to line up, and the inbounder was to tell the inbounding official that we knew which way we were going, as such and let the officials do their thing and put the ball in play. The other team was confused but the inbounding official held up the game and told the opposing team to stay on that side because we were lined up on the wrong end of the court, and that my guys are lined up on the wrong side. Well I went ape and then I was sitting for the second half. That basket would have cut our deficit to 20 :o

letemplay Thu Jan 03, 2013 04:14pm

So the T was not for running the play, but for your reaction to the ref giving away the play? Nice:rolleyes:


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