Coach-Player misconduct: Get involved?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Maineac

I hear kids use it all the time. Doesn't make it acceptable. All the more reason I wouldn't put up with a coach using it on them in a freshman game within easy earshot of me. It's not the NBA, or even the NCAA. It's supposed to be an extension of school. Like someone else said earlier, would you accept a teacher using this kind of language in the classroom? What makes it OK here?

Again you are missing the point about acceptability. I see officials allow all kinds of things I do not find acceptable to me, you do not see me getting upset with them when they handle situations a different way. There are other things illegal in the rules and I do not even see officials address or try to correct, but inappropriate language all of a sudden has to be the big bad rule we must enforce?

Again, a Technical foul does not solve everything. Some things can be addressed in another way and accomplish the same thing. This is sports, not social justice arena.

Actually NCAA players in my experience are usually better behaved than HS players. Those officials at that level do not do or say the things I see regularly at the HS level because those officials will quickly put them in their place. You think kids are getting the the faces of Teddy Valentine, Karl Hess or Jim Burr?

Peace

[Maineac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Again you are missing the point about acceptability. I see officials allow all kinds of things I do not find acceptable to me, you do not see me getting upset with them when they handle situations a different way. There are other things illegal in the rules and I do not even see officials address or try to correct, but inappropriate language all of a sudden has to be the big bad rule we must enforce?

I'm not missing your point. I got it in your first post. I was describing how I would handle things in answer to the OP. I'm not getting upset with you for handling situations in a different way either. You handle them how you handle them. As do I.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Again, a Technical foul does not solve everything. Some things can be addressed in another way and accomplish the same thing. This is sports, not social justice arena.

I never said a technical foul solves everything. I said in this particular, narrow example that is how I would handle it.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Actually NCAA players in my experience are usually better behaved than HS players. Those officials at that level do not do or say the things I see regularly at the HS level because those officials will quickly put them in their place. You think kids are getting the the faces of Teddy Valentine, Karl Hess or Jim Burr?

No, I don't. But as I've mentioned several times now, I'm talking about a freshman in high school level.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Maineac

I'm not missing your point. I got it in your first post. I was describing how I would handle things in answer to the OP. I'm not getting upset with you for handling situations in a different way either. You handle them how you handle them. As do I.


I never said a technical foul solves everything. I said in this particular, narrow example that is how I would handle it.


No, I don't. But as I've mentioned several times now, I'm talking about a freshman in high school level.

So I have to handle things the way you do so you can feel better? You are not confident in your own standards and ability to decide what goes too far?

I also did not realize the rule was different for the Freshman level. I guess that is a different standard too?

Peace

[Maineac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

So I have to handle things the way you do so you can feel better? You are not confident in your own standards and ability to decide what goes too far?

I also did not realize the rule was different for the Freshman level. I guess that is a different standard too?

Peace

Pretty sure I just said you obviously do things your way and I do them differently. I don't care if you do them my way and it won't make me feel better or worse. I don't work anywhere near you. I'm actually quite confident in my own standards and ability to decide what goes too far, like you I do it every game I work.

Do you enforce all rules the same for all levels? Call every travel you see in a middle school game? Your last two sentences are borderline silly, and you're obviously just looking for an argument.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Maineac

Pretty sure I just said you obviously do things your way and I do them differently. I don't care if you do them my way and it won't make me feel better or worse. I don't work anywhere near you. I'm actually quite confident in my own standards and ability to decide what goes too far, like you I do it every game I work.

Then if that is what I said, then why are we even debating this issue?

Do you enforce all rules the same for all levels? Call every travel you see in a middle school game? Your last two sentences are borderline silly, and you're obviously just looking for an argument.[/QUOTE]

Actually the general philosophy I take in officiating does not change during levels unless there are rules or specifics do do something differently. I call obvious violations. I do not work a lot of middle school games now, but when I did I would call what was obvious. The players have a different skill level so they are going to be smoother at certain things.

And I responded to the OP without quoting anyone. Not sure what fight I am looking for.

Peace