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Rich Fri Dec 28, 2012 09:16am

We long switch where it makes sense. If I call a charge, I'm usually initiating a switch since I'd rather come up and properly report rather than use semaphore flags from the end line. If it's a rebounding foul and I'm the trail (for example) and we're going long, we aren't switching.

I work with a handful of people and any switch that feels awkward we usually don't do unless one of us wants to get out of the T/L position and then that official initiates a switch.

When in Rome....

Eastshire Fri Dec 28, 2012 09:26am

Maybe it's just the soccer referee in me, but I just don't understand all the work put into avoiding long switches on fouls. There isn't anything really long on a basketball court.

Rich Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:32am

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Originally Posted by Eastshire (Post 868883)
Maybe it's just the soccer referee in me, but I just don't understand all the work put into avoiding long switches on fouls. There isn't anything really long on a basketball court.

It's not the distance. To me, there are switches that look/feel natural and those that look/feel forced.

Let's say I call a foul as the trail in the front court, table side. Ball's going to be inbounded at the bench, front court, table-side.

What's the sense in me calling the foul and then forcing a switch after reporting? Give me the ball and let's inbound and get the game going again. Instead, I'm supposed to report the foul and then become the lead opposite the table?

I'm happy to do either, but it just makes sense to me to not switch in this situation.

I get that this isn't a long switch -- not all goofy switches are long switches, IMO.

Adam Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:45am

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 868884)
It's not the distance. To me, there are switches that look/feel natural and those that look/feel forced.

Let's say I call a foul as the trail in the front court, table side. Ball's going to be inbounded at the bench, front court, table-side.

What's the sense in me calling the foul and then forcing a switch after reporting? Give me the ball and let's inbound and get the game going again. Instead, I'm supposed to report the foul and then become the lead opposite the table?

I'm happy to do either, but it just makes sense to me to not switch in this situation.

I get that this isn't a long switch -- not all goofy switches are long switches, IMO.

Plus 110%.

Camron Rust Fri Dec 28, 2012 01:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 868884)
It's not the distance. To me, there are switches that look/feel natural and those that look/feel forced.

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I'm happy to do either, but it just makes sense to me to not switch in this situation.

I get that this isn't a long switch -- not all goofy switches are long switches, IMO.

The point of switches is that it ensures that both teams get relatively the same coverage from each official through out the game. In 3-man, live ball rotations usually make that happen any way, however. But, in 2-man, if you didn't switch, you'd be lead for the same team for possibly the entire quarter/half.

Rich Fri Dec 28, 2012 01:22pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 868896)
The point of switches is that it ensures that both teams get relatively the same coverage from each official through out the game. In 3-man, live ball rotations usually make that happen any way, however. But, in 2-man, if you didn't switch, you'd be lead for the same team for possibly the entire quarter/half.

Let's say I buy what you're selling: Why don't we switch then on shooting fouls where the trail makes the call?

We switch often enough. No reason to do so on long switches and on switches where things feel forced. Leave it up to the crew to decide which switches make sense and which ones don't.

bainsey Fri Dec 28, 2012 01:26pm

Board assignment: We switch on all fouls.
Youth/non-board assignment: That can vary.

Still, why WOULDN'T you switch in sitch 1, since the lead has to report the foul, anyway?

BillyMac Fri Dec 28, 2012 01:45pm

I'd Rather Fight Than Switch ...
 
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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 868899)
Board assignment: We switch on all fouls.
Youth/non-board assignment: That can vary.

Same here in my little corner of Connecticut. In the Catholic middle school games, we switch when convenient.

Rich Fri Dec 28, 2012 01:54pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 868899)
Board assignment: We switch on all fouls.
Youth/non-board assignment: That can vary.

Still, why WOULDN'T you switch in sitch 1, since the lead has to report the foul, anyway?

I usually do, personally. However, this is one where we don't in 3-person (unless working NCAAM) and that's trickled down into 2-person, too.

rsl Fri Dec 28, 2012 02:13pm

we're lazy
 
Not just our local association, but the state has officially said no to long switches.

APG Fri Dec 28, 2012 02:21pm

We didn't long switch in Texas...so it was a big jump for going to a state that's fully by the book NFHS mechanics.

Welpe Fri Dec 28, 2012 02:22pm

Here the only time we switch in two whistle is when the lead calls a shooting foul.

JRutledge Fri Dec 28, 2012 03:46pm

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As Bob J said we do not long switch here, but guys screw this up all the time. It is no big deal and no one other than officials care. Actually I have never seen an tournament director, clinician (and I am one) or assignor care. We are human and things get screwed up sometimes. I think some worry way too much about what a book or someone says rather than just officiating sometimes.

Peace

Zoochy Fri Dec 28, 2012 05:24pm

Maybe it was just directed to me, but the clinician/assignor was concerned that I did not switch for either of the plays.

BillyMac Fri Dec 28, 2012 05:45pm

Switching ...
 
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 868912)
I think some worry way too much about what a book or someone says rather than just officiating sometimes.

Proper mechanics is a part of good officiating. Proper switching is a part of good mechanics. When I work a game, I have three "official" sets of eyes watching me, my partner, and the two junior varsity officials, who will go home that night and give me a rating. This rating, along with some other criteria (peer rating is 80%), will determine my ranking among my 325 colleagues, which will determine the number of games, as well as the level of the games, that I'm assigned the following season. Mechanics makes up 10% of the "nightly" rating, and proper switching is a part of proper mechanics. So if the "book" says that I'm supposed to switch after every foul, even long switches, then I'm switching after every foul. After thirty-two years, it's automatic for me. Why not do it the proper way? Really. Why not? I'm getting $89.76 to work the game, so why would I try to save a few steps by avoiding a long switch, that, in the long run, could cost me a few assignments next year? Why?


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