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Sharpshooternes Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:57pm

Gonzaga K-State charge foul
 
Wondering what your thoughts are on the charge call with 4:52 left in the second half, if someone can post the video.

APG Mon Dec 17, 2012 01:05am

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JugglingReferee Mon Dec 17, 2012 01:30am

Looks like the L got it right, imho.

rekent Mon Dec 17, 2012 01:33am

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 867225)
Looks like the L got it right, imho.

Same here, I'm not sure I see where there's a question on it. Looks like defender even got a nice elbow to boot...

Camron Rust Mon Dec 17, 2012 02:27am

Nice call Kevin!

bob jenkins Mon Dec 17, 2012 09:24am

Why is the 3-point line two colors? (the other "additional markings" I (think I) understand).

Raymond Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:54am

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Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 867051)
Wondering what your thoughts are on the charge call with 4:52 left in the second half, if someone can post the video.

What were your thoughts? Did you see sometime differently than the Lead did on this play?

Sharpshooternes Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:15am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 867249)
What were your thoughts? Did you see sometime differently than the Lead did on this play?

I definately think the L got the Charge correct. Wondering if anyone would have got the block by Black 20 from trail first? This happened to be the fifth foul on the ball handler.

bob jenkins Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:09pm

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Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 867252)
I definately think the L got the Charge correct. Wondering if anyone would have got the block by Black 20 from trail first? This happened to be the fifth foul on the ball handler.

I don't think there was a block by B20 -- especially at that level.

mtn335 Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:21pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 867236)
Why is the 3-point line two colors? (the other "additional markings" I (think I) understand).

Short version: it's not, it's two different lines 3/4 inch apart.

Long version:

The Battle in Seattle game (Gonzaga vs big-name opponent at Seattle's Key Arena) has for several years been played on the WNBA Seattle Storm's floor. Which is funny since Seattle University has a floor that's used here with only NCAA markings, but I'm sure it's a marketing thing of some kind, so whatever.

Up through the season that concluded this past fall, the WNBA's three-point distance has been 20 ft 6.25 in. NCAA is 20 ft 9 in. The line is, of course, 2" thick, which leaves a gap of 0.75 inch between the two lines, but from TV (and from my seats about 6 rows into the upper deck) they're on top of each other.

This should be the last time we see this exact setup, as the WNBA will adopt the FIBA three-point distance of 6.75 meters (22 ft, 1.75 in) next season.

icallfouls Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:47pm

charge....no brainer

mtn335 Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:48pm

BTW, I'm a GU alum...both in the building and on film I've got PC here. Kelly's got to be smarter than to drive blindly around a defender like that, he flat ran over the second man. Correct call.

Sharpshooternes Mon Dec 17, 2012 03:35pm

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Originally Posted by mtn335 (Post 867267)
BTW, I'm a GU alum...both in the building and on film I've got PC here. Kelly's got to be smarter than to drive blindly around a defender like that, he flat ran over the second man. Correct call.

All right. Sounds good. Would you all have the same call at the high school level? ie no block by 20 and then the charge?

Rich Mon Dec 17, 2012 03:43pm

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Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 867305)
All right. Sounds good. Would you all have the same call at the high school level? ie no block by 20 and then the charge?

Absolutely. Why wouldn't we?

Raymond Mon Dec 17, 2012 03:49pm

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Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 867252)
I definately think the L got the Charge correct. Wondering if anyone would have got the block by Black 20 from trail first? This happened to be the fifth foul on the ball handler.

I see what you're talking about now. But it's not a possible Block, it would be a Hand-check. And an argument could be made that B20 did commit such a foul.


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