Overkill

zm1283

OKREF wrote
If it is a close and we have a timeout, I always check the table to make sure score is right and then notify each coach that they have x amount of timeouts left. Just a courtesy.

They keep track on their bench. There is no reason to tell them before they get to zero.

OKREF

zm1283 wrote
They keep track on their bench. There is no reason to tell them before they get to zero.

What is the harm in it?

zm1283

OKREF wrote
What is the harm in it?

If you tell them they have one left, but the scorekeeper screwed up and they are really out of timeouts, they call their one timeout they think they have and now you get to issue a technical. Guess who gets blamed?

We aren't there to keep the book for them.

OKREF

zm1283 wrote
If you tell them they have one left, but the scorekeeper screwed up and they are really out of timeouts, they call their one timeout they think they have and now you get to issue a technical. Guess who gets blamed?

We aren't there to keep the book for them.

Ii also look at the score keepers on the bench and confirm, just to make sure.

MD Longhorn

zm1283 wrote
If you tell them they have one left, but the scorekeeper screwed up and they are really out of timeouts, they call their one timeout they think they have and now you get to issue a technical. Guess who gets blamed?

We aren't there to keep the book for them.

I'm in the "don't say anything" crowd too... but the concern you're raising is not really valid. It IS our job to tell them when they are out. I'd have a hard time T'ing up a coach for calling a timeout when he didn't have any, if I had not done my job and told him he did not have any.

Raymond

OKREF wrote
What is the harm in it?

It's called being Overly Officious. Or injecting yourself into a situation where you are not needed.

There is no reason to be over at a team's bench to give them information they didn't ask for.

Coaches where I work don't want officials up in their faces for no reason.

OKREF

BadNewsRef wrote
It's called being Overly Officious. Or injecting yourself into a situation where you are not needed.

There is no reason to be over at a team's bench to give them information they didn't ask for.

Coaches where I work don't want officials up in their faces for no reason.

Fair enough.. I just talked to 10 coaches and everyone of them like it. They all said it is always good to communicate, especially in late game situations.

Raymond

OKREF wrote
Fair enough.. I just talked to 10 coaches and everyone of them like it. They all said it is always good to communicate, especially in late game situations.

Communication has absolutely nothing to do with telling coaches how many time-outs they have.

I have no idea what level you officiate most of your games, but I know, for me, the higher the level, the less coaches want officials bothering them.

Must be a regional thing.

Adam

zm1283 wrote
If you tell them they have one left, but the scorekeeper screwed up and they are really out of timeouts, they call their one timeout they think they have and now you get to issue a technical. Guess who gets blamed?

We aren't there to keep the book for them.

The odds of this happening are extremely slim, but there's really no reason not to avoid the problem by simply waiting til he's out before saying anything.

That said, if that's what's expected....

Raymond

Adam wrote
The odds of this happening are extremely slim, but there's really no reason not to avoid the problem by simply waiting til he's out before saying anything.

That said, if that's what's expected....

I have a hard time believing there is any assignor or supervisor who tells his officials it's expected that they check the time-outs and inform the coaches.

OKREF

BadNewsRef wrote
Communication has absolutely nothing to do with telling coaches how many time-outs they have.

I have no idea what level you officiate most of your games, but I know, for me, the higher the level, the less coaches want officials bothering them.

Must be a regional thing.

High School...3 man and 2 man. 13 years. They all said they like knowing at the end of the game. We don't have assignors.

zm1283

MD Longhorn wrote
I'm in the "don't say anything" crowd too... but the concern you're raising is not really valid. It IS our job to tell them when they are out. I'd have a hard time T'ing up a coach for calling a timeout when he didn't have any, if I had not done my job and told him he did not have any.

I didn't say that we shouldn't tell them when they're out. I fully agree that we should inform them when they are out of timeouts.

You still give the T even if you forgot to inform him that he is out of timeouts. You not informing him doesn't allow him to evade the penalty.

OKREF wrote
Fair enough.. I just talked to 10 coaches and everyone of them like it. They all said it is always good to communicate, especially in late game situations.

You talked to 10 coaches in that time frame?

Adam wrote
The odds of this happening are extremely slim, but there's really no reason not to avoid the problem by simply waiting til he's out before saying anything.

That said, if that's what's expected....

See above. I am all for letting them know when they're out of timeouts. I never said otherwise.

Adam

BadNewsRef wrote
I have a hard time believing there is any assignor or supervisor who tells his officials it's expected that they check the time-outs and inform the coaches.

Agreed.

Maybe I'll do it in my next evaluated game and see if it's mentioned.

Raymond

OKREF wrote
High School...3 man and 2 man. 13 years. They all said they like knowing at the end of the game. We don't have assignors.

So you contract directly with the schools? That might explain why you do it that way there.

tomegun and I might not be the most popular officials in that type of system. 😎

OKREF

I'm just saying it is something we do here, and yes I talked to 10 coaches in that time frame.

Raymond

OKREF wrote
I'm just saying it is something we do here, and yes I talked to 10 coaches in that time frame.

Gotta keep your employers happy. 😀

I might be lucky if more than 3-4 local HS coaches even know my name.

OKREF

BadNewsRef wrote
So you contract directly with the schools? That might explain why you do it that way there.

tomegun and I might not be the most popular officials in that type of system. :cool:

Yes. The schools/coaches schedule with the officials directly. Like I said in another thread, I already have my schedule for the 2013-14 season. In the Metro areas they do have assignors, but only in the OKC and Tulsa area.

zm1283

OKREF wrote
I'm just saying it is something we do here, and yes I talked to 10 coaches in that time frame.

I'm sure they were glad to have you call them during their day to give you validation.

OKREF

zm1283 wrote
I'm sure they were glad to have you call them during their day to give you validation.

The reason I talked to them was the majority of the people here didn't do it. I was wanting to know if it was something they liked or maybe we needed to stop doing it. I am always willing to listen and take in what other officials are doing. What works here may not work were you are at, and what works were you are at may to work here.

Raymond

OKREF wrote
Yes. The schools/coaches schedule with the officials directly. Like I said in another thread, I already have my schedule for the 2013-14 season. In the Metro areas they do have assignors, but only in the OKC and Tulsa area.

If I would have took up officiating 14 years earlier than I did then my career would have started out in Altus. I would probably not have lasted too long in that type of system.

« Previous Page Next Page »