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twocentsworth Sun Dec 09, 2012 02:44pm

For those of you who think this is a charge, STOP looking at where the defender takes the contact (i.e. chest/center mass)....the defender HAS to establish LGP I. Order to have a PC (this is the problem identified by John Adams at the NCAA-M level - too many poor PC calls).

This defender NEVER has LGP.

JeroenB Sun Dec 09, 2012 04:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 865831)
.....and the orange shirts are UBER COOL!

You like it? To be honest, I don't, too flashy and our old grey shirts looked better.

For the record: I had a blocking foul on the play.

asdf Sun Dec 09, 2012 09:32pm

I see this as a 50/50.

You gotta slow it down to see that Neanderthal guy from the Geico commercials establishes LGP at 9:05, then moves laterally when contact is made at 9:06 before the offensive player leaves the ground.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sun Dec 09, 2012 09:46pm

CHARGE!!

And I love the color of the shirts that the officials are wearing. ;)

MTD, Sr.

Scuba_ref Mon Dec 10, 2012 02:05am

At regular speed I have a block as the contact appears to be mostly in the extended leg.

Frame by frame I see LGP established. However, at the point of contact the B player appears to be moving towards the A player and it still looks like the majority of the contact is in the leg (thigh area) of the left leg that is extended beyond the frame.

But then, I have noticed a tendency on my part to default to a block and it is something that I am working on this season. The Ohio State training video for this year has some excellent examples of PC fouls that I would have called as blocks. I will be bringing this video for discussion to our association meeting.

rockyroad Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:39pm

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Originally Posted by twocentsworth (Post 865860)
For those of you who think this is a charge, STOP looking at where the defender takes the contact (i.e. chest/center mass)....the defender HAS to establish LGP I. Order to have a PC (this is the problem identified by John Adams at the NCAA-M level - too many poor PC calls).

This defender NEVER has LGP.

He has both feet on the floor and his torso facing the ball handler not just once, but twice in this play...so he most certainly does have LGP established.

This is a block IMO because when the contact occurs the defender has stuck his leg out and that's where the contact occurs.

Adam Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:46pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 865993)
He has both feet on the floor and his torso facing the ball handler not just once, but twice in this play...so he most certainly does have LGP established.

This is a block IMO because when the contact occurs the defender has stuck his leg out and that's where the contact occurs.

Agreed, it seems some have far more stringent standards than others when applying LGP rules.

Camron Rust Mon Dec 10, 2012 07:45pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 865993)
He has both feet on the floor and his torso facing the ball handler not just once, but twice in this play...so he most certainly does have LGP established.

He did have LGP at the start of the play but he was beat on the first dribble and lost LGP at that point. He was running beside the opponent most of the play trying to catch up. He needed to get into a guarding position again (in the path) and then get two feet down to obtain LGP again. He didn't do that so he didn't have LGP when it mattered.

Scooby Mon Dec 10, 2012 08:02pm

I have a block.

HawkeyeCubP Mon Dec 10, 2012 08:26pm

Block the first time watching. PC after watching it 5 more times.

rockyroad Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:57pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 866102)
He did have LGP at the start of the play but he was beat on the first dribble and lost LGP at that point. He was running beside the opponent most of the play trying to catch up. He needed to get into a guarding position again (in the path) and then get two feet down to obtain LGP again. He didn't do that so he didn't have LGP when it mattered.

Sure he did...watch it again.

Camron Rust Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:52am

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 866127)
Sure he did...watch it again.

I did....a few times...the path of the offensive player was to the basket, after getting beat at the start, the defender never got his torso between the offense and the basket again. He got his leg there, but that is it.

RookieDude Tue Dec 11, 2012 06:07am

...before I even looked at this video, I read everyone's posts...
(we don't get certain videos here at work so I could not watch it initially)

I thought for sure I would be calling this a CHARGE...since it seemed like some were saying this was a 50/50 call.

On a close 50/50 block/charge call...I go charge.

I finally got to see this video (on my phone)...I've got block...I didn't really think it was that close.

JugglingReferee Tue Dec 11, 2012 06:31am

We have a bunch of block votes and a bunch of charge votes.

If any coaches or players or fans are lurking, can you imagine what they're thinking: "these guys can't even agree on what the call is". :D


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