new coach is a downgrade
 

Last night, had a kid take the ball out after a made basket. A team mate wanted to throw it in. First player tosses it to him, then his teammate, who is still IB, steps OOB. Tweet. HC starts to make a fuss about it, I told him his first player was OOB.

HT I let him know exactly what happened on the play as it was near the end of the half, and did not have opportunity earlier. He started arguing and saying that he had game film. Game over for him as he is now in the short leash category. His predecessor had a different demeanor. As an aside the JVC/AC mentioned to one of my partners that that happened with that kid a lot.

If its obvious that the IB player was going to be the actual in-bounder I would just continue my 5 count.

Why?

Nope, try again.

darn you quoters....

"It's not soccer, Coach."

I had a 3 count on a thrower last week when she turned and threw the ball toward me. Tweet. OOB the other way.

Once I've started my count, then I've determined who the inbounder is (for the moment).

IF I haven't started my count, and the "non inbounder" has the ball and tosses to the "inbounder", then I can wait a bit (depending on the game situation).

Another gem from our future D1 official. Did you learn this at camp too?
Wow, this is surprising from you. It isn't within the official's purview to worry about who the inbounder is or will be. All that the official need consider is if the ball is at the disposal of the throwing team. If so, then the five-second count should be started.

I think that's what I said. If I haven't started my count, then the ball isn't at the disposal. So, the toss is of no consequence and I can wait a bit (depending on the game situation) to determione that the ball is at the disposal.

Then I think you must have misunderstood him.

Perhaps I misunderstood, but it seems that some posters wish to wait until a specific player has the ball to begin their 5-second count. The rule states that the count shall begin when the ball is available to ANY MEMBER of the throwing team, so why would anyone delay or wait a bit?

If there's no appreciable delay, I see no issue with handling it the way bob suggested.

It is called common sense. Not everyone has that thing in their capacity.

Peace

What would make such a thing obvious? If the first guy is out of bounds, and tosses it to the second guy inbounds, who subsequently steps out, I think I would have the violation whistled before I had time to speculate about anything else.

Common sense would be to just apply the rule. Keep it simple and do it by the book.
What is wrong with that?

The problem with that logic is that you assume that the rules always are clear and concise. They are not always that way and there are real things that happen in games that are not clearly covered. Just look at your stance on many rules alone. Not everyone agrees with them and not everyone is mandated to follow them the way you suggest. And if all rules were so clear as you suggest, then we would not have debates over things like what can or cannot happen with many rules and current changes. We had a rule we could not even agree on here if Team Control was still a factor after a throw-in had completed and you are actually saying that "Follow the rule...?" OK, go with that one.

Peace

I'd agree with the sentiment, but the rule on this play couldn't be more clear.

It depends a little (or maybe a lot) on how the first guy got out of bounds with the ball.

It only happens maybe once every couple of games, but it's clear that the person OOB does not really have the ball at his/her disposal.

I don't see anyone setting aside a rule. The covering official is allowed discretion in determining when the ball is at the disposal of a team.

Based upon Gapper's OP, "had a kid take the ball out..." sounds like "at his disposal" to me.

From what I see, if someone else wants to take the ball out after the opposing team scores, just get over the endline.

+1 True, a part of the definition of "at disposal" is that the official has begun his count. But, many throw-ins are conducted so quickly that the count never starts at all. With this in mind, if a player picks the ball up and tosses it to another player, in any context, in doing so that player had the ball at his disposal.

I agree, but I do not see anyone not applying the rule. They just choose to give sone discretion to what is actually taking place and might be doing something different than another official. That does not mean that one officials is wrong or not applying the rule.

Peace