Block/Charge Play
 

Saw this on one of the many sports blogs. Would love your opinions.

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They had themselves a blarge! Watch the C...he is signaling a block while L is hammering the PC. Yuck...

IMHO, L has it right...defender has LGP and takes contact in chest...would love to see a camera angle from the C point of view to see what he saw...maybe that the defender moved to his left? But that was before shooter went airborne, so it is legal movement.

Hmmmm...

A classic blarge even with the L looking cross-court at his partner. Sure seems close from that angle, just can't tell if there is any horizontal movement once the shooter is airborne.

On second thought and actually paying attention. block. don't drink and drive and don't not pay attention to a video and post.

The defender was slipping from right to left from near the right lane lane to a point just left of the center of the lane with the last of the shift being after the shooter went up. I don't think the defender was in the shooters path with 2-feet down before the shooter left the floor. I have a block. It is, however, tough to tell from that angle. Given a different angle, I might see it differently.

I don't have the defender w/LGP so I have a block.

Two feet down, facing the opponent. What's missing?

B players was moving backwards, but moved diagonally on one step to be closer to the middle of key, which is the path of A1.

I do see B1 having two feet down when A1 went airborne.

PC.

Looks to me that the defender slid under the shooter from the side.

Charge. I thought so, anyway, and the lead had a better angle than any of us, including the C.

I completely agree. He wasn't at the spot before the shooter became airborne. I also would add/pregame that there is no reason the C needs to have an immediate whistle - let alone preliminary signal - on this play coming down the middle of the lane in transition with the L clearly in a good position. This should be L's first crack. (Even though I think he got it wrong.)

I don't see B1 get 2 feet down in the path until A1 goes airborne.

B1 lost his initial LGP b/c he thought A1 was going to pass to the wing and B1 moved that direction. He did not regain a LGP before A1 went airborne.

Still, this is the Lead's call all the way, Center had no reason for blowing on this call.

He lost his LGP???

Explain your thought process here please?

He left A1's path at the beginning of the play to cut off what thought was going to be a pass to the wing. That's why you see him backpedaling at an angle to get back in the play.

Am I wrong in saying the defender must remain in the path of A1 to maintain his LGP?

This looks like a block. I've seen a couple of people explain why - but the only explanation from the "it's a charge" people is, "that's a charge." Why does anyone thing that? I'd like to understand their thought process to get there.

Ok...I can see that. But did he not get back over there in the path (I am talking before the contact) and have both feet on the floor facing the opponent? And his movement was diagonal away from the shooter...

I thought he had both feet on the floor, in the path of the shooter before he went airborne. Yes, he moved while the shooter was in the air and centered the contact.

I explained why I think it is a PC in the very first response...again, the defender has LGP and is moving at a diagonal backwards from the shooter, and he takes the contact in the chest. I still think he was there before the shorter jumped after watching the video three times.

That is more or less what I see too.

He had LGP but the shooter changed to a new path and the defender was no longer in it and had to shift to get back in the path. The defender was jumping sideways (and backwards) trying to reestablish position but didn't get both feet back down to regain LGP before the shooter was airborne.

I agree completely.

Wait a minute here...according to NASO we aren't supposed to be discussing this! :mad:

What do unicorn fishes have to do with anything?

And They Don't Need A Warrant ...
 

... and the penalty for doing so is quite severe.

I watched it three times and have no problem with the L's call. Two feet on the floor, back pedaling, hit outside the RA. To me, he established LGP and never lost it. I get that others disagree.

Just watched it again and I would have to go with the PC as well. Watching the feet of both players closely..the defender mirrors the shooter pretty well.

But with the restricted area, I thought that had to be a secondary defender to be an automatic block, no? Wouldn't he be considered the primary defender on the play?

Awfully close, even in slo-mo. I can understand the call at regular speed....Looks like a PC, but I could also live with a block. Good call in that he sold it well.

Any out-numbered fast break all defenders are considered secondary

Pretty hard to see from this angle imo. Regardless of the correctness of the call I have two points:
- C should never signal blocking here and just leave it to L to avoid a blarge like this.
- L definitely has some guts making that call. I think quite a number of officials would call that a block where it should've been a charge, simply because of the dunk.

I agree with your first point and completely, 100%, unequivocally, wholeheartedly (you get the point) disagree with point #2. We don't call blocks simply because it was a "nice" play.

I may be wrong here and am not being a wise guy, but to obtain legal guarding position you must be facing opponent, have both feet on the ground. to "maintain" lgp you can move laterally and away just not towards. Idk that you have to "reestablish" with both feet on the ground every time you move lateraly or away. was i reading you wrong?

To maintain, you must also remain in the path. If you stay in the path, you don't have to reestablish and don't have to get both feet back down or be facing. If, however, the opponent takes a new path that is not towards the defender, the defender must obtain a new LGP.

Uh oh, Camron and I agreeing :eek:

So if a B1 is moving laterally to get to that "new path" that that A1 is now on and gets there in time to take it in the chest but still has one foot off the ground, he is getting a block call from u on that?

Yep.

But, if he's able to move laterally maintaining a position in A1's path the entire time, no. He met the rule. Maintaining LGP requires maintaining a position in the opponents path. If A1 goes a different direction faster than the defender can adjust, the defender loses LGP and must reobtain it in the new path.


Here is an exaggerated play to demonstrate the difference....

A1 heading straight down the left lane line. B1 sets up on the left lane line. A1, seeing his path is cut off, stops, turns 90 degrees right and goes around 3 players across the lane then cuts down the right lane line where he then heads down that lane line. B1 sees what was happening a bit late after A1 has taken an entirely different path and tries to shift to the other side of the key where he attempts to jump into the A1's new path.

i see what u r saying but i don't think this play is a guy changing his entire path like that. your sit has a guy completely losing contact with his defender thus ending legal guarding position. i know u were exaggerating t make a point. in the video i think the guy was moving under him after he left the ground anyway so i have block. I dont think you loose lgp just because he has a new path. he has to get by u with head and shoulders

If it is PC, then no foul shots if offending team is in the bonus? Also on a mechanic issue, how come L did not put his hand behind his head to indicate offensive foul.

Cause maybe he thinks like me and thinks that the hand behind the head mechanic looks absolutely silly and is a weak signal. ;)

Correct. No foul shots on PC or TC fouls.

If you're new(er) and using FED mechanics, then you should practice this. (and I think some areas have gone to the fist for all PC/TC fouls, and some use the "hand behind the head" for all PC/TC fouls)

If you're using NCAA mechanics, then just the fist.