Subbing during FTAs

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

This sentence in 3-3-2: "If the ball is about to
become live, the beckoning signal should be withheld."

This does not relate to the OP, where a buzzer sounds after a made free throw. At this point, it doesn't matter when the sub arrived at the X.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

This does not relate to the OP, where a buzzer sounds after a made free throw. At this point, it doesn't matter when the sub arrived at the X.

But it will certainly matter for the second substitute who comes to the X at the table. I'm not going to play musical substitutes.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

This does not relate to the OP, where a buzzer sounds after a made free throw. At this point, it doesn't matter when the sub arrived at the X.

The horn should not be sounded until after the substitute has reported, so why would the "buzzer" sound after a made FT unless a substitute is waiting at the X? If there's no one there, then we keep going. That was the point that BillyM was making.

Take a look at 3-3-1d.

If entry is at any time other than between quarters, and a substitute who is
entitled and ready to enter reports to the scorer, the scorer shall use a
sounding device or game horn, if, or as soon as, the ball is dead and the

clock is stopped.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The horn should not be sounded until after the substitute has reported, so why would the "buzzer" sound after a made FT unless a substitute is waiting at the X?

It shouldn't and it didn't. In the OP, if I understand correctly, the official refused to allow a sub after the second free throw because there was no sub at the table when he checked after the first.

I disallowed a sub after a made FTA because I felt the coach ran her to the table too late. I felt the sub should have been there by the time I checked the table after the first FTA was converted.

I'm not turning around again to see if someone's at the table while the teams are starting to hustle down the court after the made 2nd FTA.

There is ample time for a sub to report while the ball is at the disposal of the shooter for the second free throw.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

It shouldn't and it didn't. In the OP, if I understand correctly, the official refused to allow a sub after the second free throw because there was no sub at the table when he checked after the first.




There is ample time for a sub to report while the ball is at the disposal of the shooter for the second free throw.

Ames has already done a Mea Culpa for not allowing the sub. Didn't think we were still debating that aspect.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

It shouldn't and it didn't. In the OP, if I understand correctly, the official refused to allow a sub after the second free throw because there was no sub at the table when he checked after the first.

Oh, I see the disconnection now. I was responding to the post which you quoted BillyMac and my citation was to support what he wrote, which was for a more general situation.

We agree about the situation in the OP. That substitute met the requirement of the rule which I cited and what BillyMac said.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Oh, I see the disconnection now. I was responding to the post which you quoted BillyMac and my citation was to support what he wrote, which was for a more general situation. We agree about the situation in the OP. That substitute met the requirement of the rule which I cited and what BillyMac said.

You know just another ref, and Nevadaref, and this goes for me, as well. We all have to stop drinking adult beverages while we're posting on the Forum.