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just another ref Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:19pm

False Double
 
Tonight, watching BV, A1 drives to the basket, commits what I thought was a charge against B1. Officials hesitates, really doesn't give a signal at all until he goes to the table, then reports a foul on B2, who, according to others, had come over the top in a block attempt.

My question, if you are the official on this play, and see B2 with the hack, followed by A1 with the charge, can you see yourself reporting both?

My thought is that the charge ultimately kills the play, thereby nullifying any disadvantage caused by the contact on the block attempt.

fullor30 Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:26pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 864991)
Tonight, watching BV, A1 drives to the basket, commits what I thought was a charge against B1. Officials hesitates, really doesn't give a signal at all until he goes to the table, then reports a foul on B2, who, according to others, had come over the top in a block attempt.

My question, if you are the official on this play, and see B2 with the hack, followed by A1 with the charge, can you see yourself reporting both?

My thought is that the charge ultimately kills the play, thereby nullifying any disadvantage caused by the contact on the block attempt.

If I'm reading correctly B2 with hack followed by 'charge'? Whistle blows, foul on B2.....end of play.

just another ref Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:38pm

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Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 864995)
If I'm reading correctly B2 with hack followed by 'charge'? Whistle blows, foul on B2.....end of play.

I guess I should have stated more clearly that A1 was, I believe, an airborne shooter.


Come to think of it, I think this is a casebook play, or very similar to one.

Yep 4.19.9 Situation A

Camron Rust Wed Dec 05, 2012 02:27am

By rule, you could certainly come up with both since the defensive foul doesn't make the ball dead (continuous motion). However, both would have to be very substantial for me to actually do that...and to date it has never happened.

What happens more often than not is that the official either stays with the first one or sometimes goes with just the charge since it was probably the bigger more obvious foul.

BillyMac Wed Dec 05, 2012 07:49am

He's Just A Hack ...
 
Does the defensive "hack" change the motion of the offensive player to cause the charge?

JugglingReferee Wed Dec 05, 2012 08:18am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 865027)
Does the defensive "hack" change the motion of the offensive player to cause the charge?

I don't believe it does.

johnsonboys03 Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:13pm

false double foul if you were to call the foul on b2 and then on a1 on the charge. Basket would not count if went in. A1 would recieve two free throws with an empty lane. Then depending on made or missed free throw would determine the spot in which team b would get the ball for the throw in.


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