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Terrapins Fan Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:55pm

How much do JV officials make per game?
 
I believe our JV officials are under paid.

I talked to a guy don the road from us ( about 45 minutes away ) They are getting $65 a game for JV. We get $45 a game. One game only. So we drive up to an hour away, get there about 1/2 hour before the game and get $45.

While I know it's not about the money, it has a value, we do not get travel pay and we are away from our families.

How much do each of you make for a JV contest?

BTW, I do both JV and Varsity. Right now I have 11 Varsity, 1 JV, 1 Freshman game. to the end of December.

We get $40 for a Freshman game. Again, you could travel up to an hour away, though most games are within 30 minutes of home.

APG Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:02pm

Total here ends up being $41.40 for one JV game.

Welpe Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:04pm

Our game fee for high school sub-varsity is $30 plus the IRS compensation rate (currently $0.555 per mile) for round trip mileage from our home to the game site. Take home for a Frosh-JV double header typically runs around $70-85.

BktBallRef Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:33am

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$55.00
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$77.50
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One Game
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$ 50.00
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Rich Wed Dec 05, 2012 01:36am

Personally, I think they should take some pay from the JV/Freshman officials and increase the pay of the varsity officials where I live.

Before you think I just want more money in my pocket, I have a reason for thinking this way:

(1) The separation between the two levels is very small -- something like $20 in my area (We usually get $60 for V, $40 for JV).

(2) Too many officials figure that $40 and home by 7:30PM is "good enough." I would prefer to see those who want to move up be rewarded more than those who are simply OK with staying at a lower level.

RSturgell Wed Dec 05, 2012 01:51am

$40 for JV, $30 for freshmen, $70 if you have both games.

zm1283 Wed Dec 05, 2012 02:35am

$45 for JV if they play 7-minute quarters. $55 (Same as varsity) if they decide to play 8-minute quarters, and only a couple of conferences do. We don't have individual JV games here. They are played before the varsity game and the same crew works both.

We get 40 cents a mile for one driver as well. We split it if we both have to drive.

Nevadaref Wed Dec 05, 2012 07:08am

NV is $43.75 for FR, $43.75 for JV, which are done 2-man, and $60.75 for V if 2-man or $49.75 if 3-man. Additionally, a driver gets 0.55 per mile if over 10 miles one-way and any passengers get 0.19

Northern CA areas with which I'm familiar: $53 for JV and $75 for V. No travel fee. Sorry don't know the FR fee.

Like anything else, the cost of living in your area or state is going to dictate what your fees are. I don't expect NY/Conn fees in the South or the West (CA Bay Area may be the exception).

Terrapins Fan Wed Dec 05, 2012 07:44am

I am surprised at the responses, I thought sure, JV officials made more over all across the country.

Thanks for opening my eyes.

BillyMac Wed Dec 05, 2012 08:00am

The Constitution State ...
 
Connecticut: All subvarsity (junior varsity, freshman, middle school) games: $58.21 (per official, two person crew, one game, no mileage).

bob jenkins Wed Dec 05, 2012 09:28am

You need to include mileage (if paid to the official) and "booking fees" (if paid by the official) in any analysis.

In the Chicago area, I think it's $47 for lower level, and $57 for Varsity. Some (maybe even most, but not all) lower level games are two games, but I don't know the rate. No mileage (but many games are "close" mileage-wise, but long time wise -- it took me 30 minutes to get to a game 6 miles away last night).

SNIPERBBB Wed Dec 05, 2012 09:35am

Anywhere between 30 and 60 here. Depends on the school and no mileage.

zm1283 Wed Dec 05, 2012 09:49am

I'm not sure how I would like a flat fee with no mileage. I imagine it would work out during the course of a season and even out. Some nights around here you would make out really good and some nights you would get hosed.

Do any areas have mileage "zones" where you get paid a flat fee for a certain number of miles from home? Maybe $10 for under 20 miles, $15 for 20-40 miles, etc.

BillyMac Wed Dec 05, 2012 09:49am

My Little Corner Of Connecticut ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 865028)
Connecticut: All subvarsity (junior varsity, freshman, middle school) games: $58.21 (per official, two person crew, one game, no mileage).

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 865040)
Booking fees?

7% assignment fee. Most games within 15-25 miles, one way.

jTheUmp Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:13am

Metro area:
1 varsity game: $73
Varsity + JV: $108
2 Varsity: $123
2 Non-varsity (JV, 9th grade, 10th grade, or JR High): $79
1 Non-varsity: $55.

We get a $3-5 on top of the fees above if we work an 'outstate' game (generally more than 30 miles from downtown Minneapolis).

No mileage or booking fees.

Most of our non-varsity games are doubleheaders. Metro varsity games about 50% single games, 50% JV/V doubleheaders. Outstate games are almost always JV/V doubleheaders in my experience.

OKREF Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:18am

Junior high is $90-$95 for 2 games.

dsqrddgd909 Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:35am

$40 per game in my part of Kansas, no mileage, all doubleheaders. $45 in Missouri, mileage, mostly doubleheaders.

JRutledge Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:55am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 865040)
You need to include mileage (if paid to the official) and "booking fees" (if paid by the official) in any analysis.

In the Chicago area, I think it's $47 for lower level, and $57 for Varsity. Some (maybe even most, but not all) lower level games are two games, but I don't know the rate. No mileage (but many games are "close" mileage-wise, but long time wise -- it took me 30 minutes to get to a game 6 miles away last night).

The problem is that is conference related or NISOC (a cartel) related. I know many many private schools pay more varsity and lower level single games. I have received $65 for a varsity contest recently. And if you get outside of Chicago that fee is certainly higher in my experience as well.

Peace

Welpe Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:57am

Quote:

Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 865046)
Do any areas have mileage "zones" where you get paid a flat fee for a certain number of miles from home? Maybe $10 for under 20 miles, $15 for 20-40 miles, etc.

That is being proposed in Texas for metro areas and will probably be implemented if the lawsuit is ever resolved. Though the zones are figured from a center point in the metro area (downtown Houston in my case). Mileage will be based upon how far schools are from the center point based upon three separate zones.

Oh and sub-varsity scheduling fees here are $1.25/game for hs and ms games. No idea what varsity fees are.

Welpe Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:59am

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 865055)
Junior high is $90-$95 for 2 games.

Where do I sign up?

rockyroad Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:07am

JV 3 person = 28 per official plus 14 for mileage. 10% in assigning fees on the game fee only.

JV 2 person = 38 per and the same mileage and assigning fees.

V 3person is 49 per with same mileage and fees.

Adam Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:14am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 865059)
That is being proposed in Texas for metro areas and will probably be implemented if the lawsuit is ever resolved. Though the zones are figured from a center point in the metro area (downtown Houston in my case). Mileage will be based upon how far schools are from the center point based upon three separate zones.

Oh and sub-varsity scheduling fees here are $1.25/game for hs and ms games. No idea what varsity fees are.

Colorado pays a $2 mileage stipend for metro schools. Travel games (outside the metro area) pay mileage to one driver for each set of officials.

bainsey Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:44am

Middle school $40 (usually, there are two)
JV $46
Varsity $62.50
In all cases, plus mileage.

Locations of games can vary greatly. Last night, I worked in my hometown (exhibition games, all officials were either townies and/or worked for the district). Tomorrow's assignment is a mere three miles from my office. On the other end, a have a Saturday morning pair an hour, 15 minutes away.

jeremy341a Wed Dec 05, 2012 01:43pm

Almost all of ours is double headers.
2-JH = $80
2-FR = $90
1 jv & 1 var = $100
2 Var = $110
Plus $0.40 per mile round trip paid to one official.

I have some games that are almost 90 miles one way.

DLH17 Wed Dec 05, 2012 01:55pm

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3 man JV ??!!?? Very cool!

WALDO Wed Dec 05, 2012 03:15pm

In Central New York: Varsity $79.00/ea; jv, freshman, and modified, $59.50/ea

plus mileage. I don't feel so bad now.:p

zm1283 Wed Dec 05, 2012 03:33pm

I forgot to add that we tack on $15 to any game fee when only one game will be played. I have a game Saturday an hour and 45 minutes from my house and it's a single game, so I'll make $70. Single games are awesome when they're close to home, and they're awful when they're almost two hours away.

loners4me Wed Dec 05, 2012 03:45pm

Central Il- $45 for JV. $75 for V. No extras (maybe a bad of popcorn)

tw1ns Wed Dec 05, 2012 04:25pm

North Iowa
$30/per for lower level 8th Under
JV - $50-60 - Single game - 2 man
Varsity DH Girl/Boy - $80-95 - 3 man
Rare mileage - bigger conferences - one person buys on way home.

ODog Wed Dec 05, 2012 04:48pm

Massachusetts:

55 - Subvarsity (which includes middle school)
77 - Varsity

No mileage, almost always 2-man. If the school opts for a 3-man varsity crew, I believe the pay is $68.

Distance of games depends on what county you live in and what board you're on. For my board, all games are within 25 miles or so, and usually less.

TravisFL Wed Dec 05, 2012 09:30pm

SE Florida:
JV/Middle School Games: $52
JV/MS Double: $40 per game plus $12 travel = $92

Ed Maeder Wed Dec 05, 2012 09:58pm

Anchorage, Alaska
JV 2 crew $60. per game, 3 crew $45. per game. Scorer and timer each receive $32. Most always 2 games. Most games done 3 crew.

grunewar Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan (Post 864986)
I talked to a guy don the road from us ( about 45 minutes away ) They are getting $65 a game for JV. We get $45 a game. One game only. So we drive up to an hour away, get there about 1/2 hour before the game and get $45.

Not in my neck of the woods is it? Two Associations here make ~$45 I think.

Nevadaref Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:38pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Maeder (Post 865240)
Anchorage, Alaska
JV 2 crew $60. per game, 3 crew $45. per game. Most always 2 games. Most games done 3 crew.

Wow, what are your Varsity fees? Your JV fees are very close to our Varsity.

the24kid Thu Dec 06, 2012 09:05am

so here in nyc.. for the CHSAA we get:

79: JV and Freshman, one game
92: Varsity B/2 men varsity games
101: varsity 3 men

various private schools that we also work assign between 80-95 for a private game and anywhere between 95-115 for a 2 man varsity...

eyezen Thu Dec 06, 2012 09:50am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 865246)
Wow, what are your Varsity fees? Your JV fees are very close to our Varsity.

Keep in mind he's from Alaska, I would assume that transportation challenges and cost of living are factored into that.

Indianaref Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:21am

Indiana is all over the place, depending on which part of the state you are working:

JV $45.00 - 60.00
V $60.00 - 90.00

One school down southern part of Indiana is paying $110.00 for V game.

RookieDude Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:34am

Quote:

Originally Posted by the24kid (Post 865286)
so here in nyc.. for the CHSAA we get:

79: JV and Freshman, one game
92: Varsity B/2 men varsity games
101: varsity 3 men

...you get MORE $ for doing 3 whistle crews than 2 whistle crews?

Terrapins Fan Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:38am

Quote:

Originally Posted by the24kid (Post 865286)
so here in nyc.. for the CHSAA we get:

79: JV and Freshman, one game
92: Varsity B/2 men varsity games
101: varsity 3 men

various private schools that we also work assign between 80-95 for a private game and anywhere between 95-115 for a 2 man varsity...

I am thinking that is the fee per game to be divided by the officials. But i could be wrong.

Raymond Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:15am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan (Post 865308)
I am thinking that is the fee per game to be divided by the officials. But i could be wrong.

From conversations I've had NYC has the highest paid HS officials.

BillyMac Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:37pm

Fly Me ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by eyezen (Post 865296)
Keep in mind he's from Alaska, I would assume that transportation challenges and cost of living are factored into that.

Yeah. but think of all the frequent flier miles he gets.

Ed Maeder Thu Dec 06, 2012 01:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 865246)
Wow, what are your Varsity fees? Your JV fees are very close to our Varsity.

Varsity games are $68. per official 3 crew only, and a scorer and timer each make $37.

jritchie Thu Dec 06, 2012 03:02pm

In our area here in Eastern KY:
All 3 man for varsity: $60, totally ridiculous, because our Region is the most spread out in the state, from one side to the other it's about 180 miles from Jenkins to Estill County. (AND NO MILEAGE)

2 man for Jv: $45, most of the time they get a Freshman and Jv, which is $90

Grades school is where the money is at if that is what you are in it for, $40 a game, and all the schools around here have 3rd/4th, 5th/6th, 7th/8th, so they get 3 games a night and make $120 bucks a night and home by 8:30...

buckrog64 Thu Dec 06, 2012 03:46pm

I worked three games for a private school and at the beginning of the night they 'passed the plate' to pay for the gym rental and refs. Think I made $30 for three games. Gym rental must be very expensive! Otherwise it's about $65 for two j-high and $40-45 per fresh/jv type stuff. One school pays on site and the other mails the check usually within a couple of weeks.

the24kid Thu Dec 06, 2012 08:56pm

All these games are fee per official.. so like I said 79 for a frosh or jv... 92 for a varsity b or any varsity 2 man and 101 for a 3man... 3 man is usually a Molloy/Christ the King... Holy Cross/Xaverian etc..

A Pennsylvania Coach Fri Dec 07, 2012 09:43am

Central PA:

V (two-person) $75
V (three-person) $60
JV $54.50
JH $50.50
JHJV $38.00
JH7 $38.00
Combo (two JH games) $75

No mileage, no fees

zm1283 Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by buckrog64 (Post 865421)
I worked three games for a private school and at the beginning of the night they 'passed the plate' to pay for the gym rental and refs. Think I made $30 for three games. Gym rental must be very expensive! Otherwise it's about $65 for two j-high and $40-45 per fresh/jv type stuff. One school pays on site and the other mails the check usually within a couple of weeks.

I wouldn't be working a game where I didn't know what the fee was before the game. Especially if it could end up being as low as $10 per game.

Adam Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 865547)
I wouldn't be working a game where I didn't know what the fee was before the game. Especially if it could end up being as low as $10 per game.

I did one season of middle school games, my first season in that particular city, for $12.50 per game. It wasn't even worth the vacation time I had to take to be on site at 3:00.

Raymond Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 865550)
I did one season of middle school games, my first season in that particular city, for $12.50 per game. It wasn't even worth the vacation time I had to take to be on site at 3:00.

It's for the kids. You owed it to the kids.

Mel and weet Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:51pm

NJ Fees
 
This is for Central and North Jersey....Varsity between $75 to 80 per game...and $ 55 to 60 per game for Freshman/JV.

Adam Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by badnewsref (Post 865552)
it's for the kids. You owed it to the kids.

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Forksref Fri Dec 07, 2012 01:27pm

Set by the state in ND: JV= $37; 18 min halves = $38.50 Varsity = $65 18-min halves = $67

mrmike Fri Dec 07, 2012 04:09pm

Southern tier in upstate NY:
Varsity $92.25
JV $62.50
7-8 grade $51.25
We are rural area and get .465 per mile up to 100 miles round trip. 100 miles =$46.50 for one person. We got some pretty good negotiators.

refiator Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:29am

Georgia:

ASSIGNMENT LEVEL

Per Game Fees

GHSA VARSITY - CREW OF THREE $46.00
GHSA BELOW VARSITY $37.00
GHSA VARSITY - POST SEASON $62.00
GHSA VARSITY - STATE TOURNAMENT - 1 Game $110.00
GHSA VARSITY - STATE TOURNAMENT - 2 Games $175.00

TRAVEL FEES
Fees to be Divided Among Crew

CREW OF 2 $25.00
CREW OF 3 $30.00

amusedofficial Sat Dec 08, 2012 02:52am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 865008)
Personally, I think they should take some pay from the JV/Freshman officials and increase the pay of the varsity officials where I live.
...

Too many officials figure that $40 and home by 7:30PM is "good enough." I would prefer to see those who want to move up be rewarded more than those who are simply OK with staying at a lower level.

There needs to be a threshold fee that will get someone with some level of competence to call a game. The issue may be that the varsity pay is not enough, rather than the sub-varsity pay is too high.

Perhaps, also, the issue is whether the officials in your board believe working varsity is itself more stimulating, challenging or otherwise rewarding than working JV

Give me a crappy paying good game over a well-paying lousy game any day.

buckrog64 Sat Dec 08, 2012 08:01am

True, zm...that was back when my schedule was more wide open than it is today...sometimes I'm just glad to help out and put on the stripes.

Rich Sat Dec 08, 2012 11:32am

Quote:

Originally Posted by amusedofficial (Post 865651)
There needs to be a threshold fee that will get someone with some level of competence to call a game. The issue may be that the varsity pay is not enough, rather than the sub-varsity pay is too high.

Perhaps, also, the issue is whether the officials in your board believe working varsity is itself more stimulating, challenging or otherwise rewarding than working JV

Give me a crappy paying good game over a well-paying lousy game any day.

There already is no such threshold. Schools hire their own sub-varsity officials and most times they're just looking for a licensed body. To get a license here you simply send a check and are supposed to take (annually) the Part I test open book and watch a 30 minute rules video online. If you don't watch the video or take the test, though, you don't lose your license -- you just can't work up the chain of levels in this state (6 levels of officials, MASTER being the highest). There's no requirement to play the state's level game to work varsity games, either -- assignors and schools can hire any licensed official. There's no requirement to join an officials association, either.

Last week I saw two guys working freshman games wearing Adidas trackpants (complete with 3 white stripes down the sides), white sneakers, collared shirts, and metal pea whistles. Their abilities as officials matched their appearance.

Just got me thinking -- why should these guys get $40-$45 each for this? This is how some people dress and officiate working rec ball at $20 - $25 a game.

JetMetFan Sat Dec 08, 2012 01:49pm

NYC Public Schools =

Varsity = $105.12
JV = $78.84


Officials also get a raise when the teachers' union gets a raise.

To the guys in GA: I'm glad to see they've gone up, at least a little. When I was there from '97-00 it was $35/$30.

26 Year Gap Sat Dec 08, 2012 03:08pm

Not sure if things have changed in VT, but it was $45 plus .405 per mile when I left. Here it is $30-$35 plus a travel fee of $15. If you work a double, then only one travel fee is paid. Varsity is $40-$45 plus the travel fee. Officials get $5 more for 2 crew varsity games than for 3 crew.

BktBallRef Sat Dec 08, 2012 03:43pm

In NC, we were just approved a 10% across the board increase beginning in 201402015 for all sports. :)

26 Year Gap Sat Dec 08, 2012 04:04pm

I know that many were not happy w game fee structures up north when compared to neighboring states. They now get $75 per game plus mileage, but are required to car pool when they can. That was at the varsity level. With the economy the way it is down here, I do not see any big changes any time soon. Things could always be worse, though.

SperlingPE Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:43am

in my area you are an independant contractor - you get paid what ever you and the school agree to
thsi goes for varsity contests as well
there are a few conferences that have contracted with an assignor and you get the contract price of $35 or $40 per official per game

Raymond Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:06am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SperlingPE (Post 865971)
...there are a few conferences that have contracted with an assignor and you get the contract price of $35 or $40 per official per game

Do you live in Louisiana?

SperlingPE Mon Dec 10, 2012 02:00pm

I am in Nebraska and the $35-$40 per official is for junior varsity.
The conferences that have an assigner $60-$65 per offical for varsity contests.

typically no travel included but it can be offered or negotiated


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