Resumption of play procedure.
 

Had a sitch last week for my second game of the season with partner (his very first game). Sophomore mens game. Teams were both slow coming out of timeout huddles. I gave them both a few seconds extra warning, sounded the whistle loudly and called "White, ball in!!" then proceeded to place ball on the ground. They made it over fast enough and got the ball in to play. Starting the 4th period, I am on endline partner at midcourt ready to give ball to player to inbound. Both horns have sounded, teams warned, whistle by partner who gives ball to inbounding team who was ready, defense was still in huddle. Offense gets easy bucket.

After the game, evaluator says that partner should not have given ball to inbounding team but should have warned team and issued an official DOG in the book. From what I can tell, we followed the rule properly and the DOG warning isn't issueable in this situation. Granted there were a few things we could have done better, including reminding coaches to be ready to play on second horn and being better with vocalizing to the teams that ball is being put into play. Partner was a bit timid about this.

Thoughts and thanks in advance.

I have a thought
 

Some people shouldn't be evaluating.

By rule, correct procedure.

I've had P's go so far as to include this in the Captain's Meeting too. Something like, "Gentlemen, we're going to keep this game moving tonight. We're going to be ready to put the ball in play at the second horn. You need to ready too."

It would take a lot for me to give a ball to an inbounding team to score an uncontested layup.

Did you get in the huddle and try to break it up on the second horn? I'm usually not trying to get to my position as quickly as you seem to have been -- I'm making sure the teams are on the floor, we have 10 players, etc.

By rule, you handled things right. But you can be right by rule and still not look good in the process.

That's an NCAA rule.

How strictly the HS rule is enforced varies by area.

I agree, but if I've already put the ball down once, and they continue to stay in their huddle after my warnings (I'm practically in the middle of the huddle sometimes), I won't lose any sleep over an uncontested layup.

This is something I do in every pregame. I tell the captains and coaches to be ready to play when the second horn sounds. At the same time, I am doing everything I can to make sure we have 10 prior to starting, that being said, I won't wait forever.

Like I said in the OP, we could have been better about getting in the huddle and being a little more vocal that we are going to inbound the ball. However, since we had already used the procedure once earlier in the game I didn't feel as bad about the second one.

We definitely could have done it better. Lessons learned: Reminder to coaches in coaches meeting, be more vocal and consistent with being in the huddle and warning teams ball is coming into play.

That was my point, though -- in the OP, the poster said he was in his position on the end line. Even if they'd been slow before, I'm at the huddle announcing "Second horn" and trying to clap them out. If they delay beyond that, *then* I'm heading to my position and if they're STILL in the huddle, you're right, we did all we could.

I've *never* gotten to that point, though. I think I put the ball on the floor once all last season.

Ah, you're right. I didn't catch that part. I don't think I've typically gotten into the huddles at the quarter break, but I've never had to. Two-man positioning at the quarter makes it a little (not much) more difficult, especially for the far huddle.

And they think the captains are going to go back and tell the coaches this information?

I've had partners ask the captains to help us out in this regard; as if the coach is going to stop his lecture because the captain reminds him the first horn has sounded.

I just ask the captains to take care of their teammates, and I leave the TO issue to the coach's meeting.
"Let us know on 30/60, and get them out after that first horn so we can get started on the second."

Football has a "get back coach." Some here have advocated trying to get a "get em out" coach in basketball -- go to that adult and have him/her prod the coach to stop talking. At least the coach can't complain that no adult on his/her staff was "warned".

Or his team mates?

It's just another angle to try and help the game.

Yeah, we tell the coaches too. Kind of an extra POE for the game - our gift! ;)

I agree, and hopefully the teams get the point after that.

As Bob said, Roman Law applies. Here, we're taught to be a bit more strict about it. Like Rich, I also set the ball on the floor once all last season (after my partner already did once), as most teams here are pretty good about getting back on the court in time.

If I see a true effort to get to the throw-in, I'll hold it. If they're making their way out slowly, a simple whistle, "blue ball," and direction pointing tend to speed things up.

Most of my college games when we give the "1st horn" warning there's an AC watching for us who then tells the HC he needs to wrap it up.

Yep -- but that often doesn't filter down to the HS level.

If a team is slow at first, I have been know to get an assistant coach's attention and let him / her know that the team was slow and that I would appreciate his / her help in getting the team out on future TOs.

My captain's meeting was 12 seconds long last night. My coach meetings were exactly the game as always. Name, are the players properly attired, good luck.

I may be cynical, but none of the extra stuff gets through and I'm not really that concerned if a team steals an extra 5-10 seconds on a timeout. I make up for it by administering things like free throws and throw-ins expeditiously.

Once last season, like I said -- I had already talked to an assistant and then the head coach. If there's anything I hate, it's being ignored.

I don't know about all these "coaches meetings" you guys talk about. I'm glad the only "coaches meetings" we deal with are at the 1:30 mark in the pregame warmups where we introduce ourselves and wish them "good luck" !!

That's what I was talking about. "Hi Bill, Rich, good to see you again. Players properly attired? Good luck."

Meet Me In Saint Louie ...
 

Here in my little corner of Connecticut, we meet with both the captains, and the coaches, at the 5:00 mark. No separate meetings, one for coaches, another for captains. Am I missing something? Is Connecticut that different on how this meeting (NFHS) is handled in other states?

Get Em Out There ...
 

One of the few times that I will talk to an assistant coach.

No Bad Luck, Just No Good Luck ...
 

For me it's, "Have fun everybody".

I'm not saying mine is much longer, "Hey coach. Your players properly attired? Let us know if you want a 30 or 60 second TO. Let's get em in and out of the huddle tonight, ok? Good luck."

The Three P's ...
 

Three points made in mine: Players properly equipped, players wearing uniforms properly, practice good sportsmanship. Isn't that the minimum required by NFHS rules?

You should look up 2-4-5 and read Billy's post below.
Correct.

Movin' On Up ...
 

Man. This is absolutely, positively, the best day that I've ever had on the Forum. I wish that it would never end.

Does this mean that I can now become an esteemed member? I feel like how Joe Pesci probably felt before he became a made man in Goodfellas.