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HawkeyeCubP Wed Nov 28, 2012 01:52pm
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Originally Posted by APG (Post 863874)
The only thing I can think of is that there's something from the endline that we can't see from this angle. Otherwise I'm not sure how this can be anything but a charge. I'll have to take a look at it later today and see if they showed another angle and try to put it up.
APG - Didn't you say (maybe last season) that the League has different rules regarding block/charges like this - specifically related to the gather that begins the trying motion, or something? Or am I making that up? Like that the defender had to be at the spot not just before the shooter left the ground, but before they gather for the try? If that was the case, I could see why a block per a rule like that.

APG Wed Nov 28, 2012 01:58pm
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Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP (Post 863938)
APG - Didn't you say (maybe last season) that the League has different rules regarding block/charges like this - specifically related to the gather that begins the trying motion, or something? Or am I making that up? Like that the defender had to be at the spot not just before the shooter left the ground, but before they gather for the try? If that was the case, I could see why a block per a rule like that.
Funny you ask as I just mentioned this in another thread. ;)

A defender establish his position before the offensive player starts his upward motion with the ball to shoot or pass.

HawkeyeCubP Wed Nov 28, 2012 01:59pm
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Originally Posted by APG (Post 863940)
Funny you ask as I just mentioned this in another thread. ;)

A defender must get a legal position before the offensive player starts his upward motion with the ball to shoot or pass.
Totally just saw that, and was about to answer my own question with your qoute from that thread.;) Thanks.

SNIPERBBB Wed Nov 28, 2012 02:05pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 863904)
I hear that opinion a lot, and then no one hardly says a word when done on a call. Like others said I would do the same as Joey other than the running half way up the court or the frequency, but the fist part would be done the exact same. I do not have the time to fix my hands in a way where they can be open and touch my hips.

Peace
To clarify...they don't like the repeated banging of the hips and general hot dogging on the call. One of the states pet peeves.

APG Wed Nov 28, 2012 02:12pm
Just want to state that this isn't par for any signaling in the NBA or Joe Crawford

drofficial Wed Nov 28, 2012 02:20pm
And we all agree that he O player traveled at the beginning of the move to the basket. Left foot is pivot foot, clealy picks up left foot before releasing ball to start dribble. Travel. Then he charged. This is a perfect example where if the travel rule were officiated as written, we could prevent a lot of other crap--in this case, a terrible block call.

APG Wed Nov 28, 2012 02:23pm
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Originally Posted by drofficial (Post 863953)
And we all agree that he O player traveled at the beginning of the move to the basket. Left foot is pivot foot, clealy picks up left foot before releasing ball to start dribble. Travel. Then he charged. This is a perfect example where if the travel rule were officiated as written, we could prevent a lot of other crap--in this case, a terrible block call.
You identified the wrong foot as the pivot foot. The right foot was the pivot foot in this play per NBA rules, and a case can be made (not that I'd judge it this way) that per NCAA/NF rules, the player didn't have a pivot foot (if you determined he gathered the ball with a foot on the floor).

Raymond Wed Nov 28, 2012 02:28pm
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Originally Posted by APG (Post 863899)
Fist on hips for a block? You won't find me donig it any other way (save for the theatrics shown here). The "by the book way" IMO is a weak signal (that and the PC signal).
I had a supervisor tell me that the 'open-hand to waist' block signal for a man of my size looked very.....un-masculine (to keep things PC).

Raymond Wed Nov 28, 2012 02:29pm
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Originally Posted by drofficial (Post 863953)
And we all agree that he O player traveled at the beginning of the move to the basket. Left foot is pivot foot, clealy picks up left foot before releasing ball to start dribble. Travel. Then he charged. This is a perfect example where if the travel rule were officiated as written, we could prevent a lot of other crap--in this case, a terrible block call.
Could be so kind as to tell us how the travelling rules are written for the NBA?

APG Wed Nov 28, 2012 02:35pm
Here's the play with slow motion at the end and an extra camera angle shown (the only other one they broadcasted):

<iframe width="853" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Pwnw1h-M3Sc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

rekent Wed Nov 28, 2012 02:36pm
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Originally Posted by APG (Post 863954)
You identified the wrong foot as the pivot foot. The right foot was the pivot foot in this play per NBA rules, and a case can be made (not that I'd judge it this way) that per NCAA/NF rules, the player didn't have a pivot foot (if you determined he gathered the ball with a foot on the floor).
Thank you, was just thinking the same thing.

And wasn't this horse beaten to death and beyond in the other thread?

MD Longhorn Wed Nov 28, 2012 02:38pm
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Originally Posted by drofficial (Post 863953)
And we all agree that he O player traveled at the beginning of the move to the basket. Left foot is pivot foot, clealy picks up left foot before releasing ball to start dribble. Travel. Then he charged. This is a perfect example where if the travel rule were officiated as written, we could prevent a lot of other crap--in this case, a terrible block call.
Not in the NBA. Methinks you should reread the travel rule.

Raymond Wed Nov 28, 2012 02:51pm
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Originally Posted by APG (Post 863954)
You identified the wrong foot as the pivot foot. The right foot was the pivot foot in this play per NBA rules, and a case can be made (not that I'd judge it this way) that per NCAA/NF rules, the player didn't have a pivot foot (if you determined he gathered the ball with a foot on the floor).
He did the scissor-step before dribbling so I would have a travel in my games.

APG Wed Nov 28, 2012 02:57pm
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 863968)
He did the scissor-step before dribbling so I would have a travel in my games.
Not necessarily saying it wasn't a travel...just that per NBA rules, he identified the wrong foot as the pivot.

tomegun Wed Nov 28, 2012 03:13pm
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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB (Post 863945)
To clarify...they don't like the repeated banging of the hips and general hot dogging on the call. One of the states pet peeves.
To be blunt...

I have officiated in three parts of the country - I have belonged to 5 high school associations due to military assignments. From my collective experience, when someone is worried about this - with all the other stuff we have to worry about in high school basketball - they normally suck at officiating.


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