Block/Charge End of Quarter
 

Block or charge or no call...how would you handle at whatever various levels you work (including if you're able to use replay)?

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Close, he seems to move to his right after the shooter left the floor, but hard to tell at full speed. Probably call a charge. We don't use replay. Doesn't matter if the foul occurred after the horn in this case as you are still a shooter until you until you hit the floor, and any foul would count as long as the shot was released prior to the horn.

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I like a PC foul on the airborne shooter. The defender had LGP and had his spot (despite a little wiggle visible in super slo-mo) before the shooter went airborne.

The foul occurred before the horn, but by less than a second. At my level, we're not putting that little time back on the clock (and some clocks don't register tenths anyway). End of period.

Defensive player is repositioning body and feet laterally once the player is airborne. If I feel like contact happened before the clock expired and we've been calling everything on shooters/defenders all night. Then blocking on the defense.

My gut as a stand along play says its the end of quarter, the shot is off and airborne way before contact happens, so offense is not disadvantaged at all and contact isn't impacting play. No Call.

Ditto.

I disagree. It isn't a no call. He is airborne and still a shooter until he returns to the floor. Have to make some call on that.

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While this might not qualify as a train wreck, we've got two bodies on the floor. In my association (the HS level) we're told there has to be a whistle on this.

But what is the rule? Does it say anything about such things?

But what is the rule? Does it say anything about such things?

Says that the defensive player must occupy the position on the floor before the offensive player leaves the floor. If they move to occupy a space once the player is in the air they are responsible for illegal contact. I only picked it up on the slow mo though.

I disagree. It isn't a no call. He is airborne and still a shooter until he returns to the floor. Have to make some call on that.

So you are not considering time as a determining factor here. There will no rebound, there will be no chance to inbound/outlet the ball. The shot cannot be effected and nothing else can occur during the time period. I understand protecting the shooter but in this situation calling something doesn't impact the result of the play or the next play. Advantage/ disadvantage?

10.6.1 SITUATION C:

B1 is standing behind the plane of the backboard before A1 jumps for a lay-up shot. The forward momentum causes airborne shooter A1 to charge into B1.

RULING: B1 is entitled to the position obtained legally before A1 left the floor. If the ball goes through the basket before or after the contact occurs, the player-control foul cancels the goal. However, if B1 moves into the path of A1 after A1 has left the floor, the foul is on B1. B1's foul on the airborne shooter is a foul during the act of shooting. If the shot is successful, one free throw is *awarded and if it is unsuccessful, two free throws result. (4-19-1, 4-19-6; 6-7-4; 10 Penalty 2, 5a)

Time doesn't matter. He is a shooter until he comes back to the floor. The shot was prior to the end of the period. If he is fouled by the defense in the same situation, you would shoot the free throws.

Can someone remind me the procedure for what to do if there is a foul on a shooter at the buzzer? With references would be appreciated so I can read up a little.

Shoot the FTs with no one on the line. Teams must remain at their bench areas until the half ends (when the second FT ends).

Are you sure about that? Is that really what the rule says?

Nope...it is not about the rebounding advantage. It is about the advantage the shooter gained by taking a path to the shot that is through the defender...even if it is after the release.

Note the entire phrase..."into the path". Movement itself is not necessarily illegal, it is where the movement takes the player.

Exactly. Movement within the path is allowable, IMO.

He didn't take that path to the shot. He's release his shot and still is airborne but will not be disadvantaged by contact.

If a shot was blocked into the 3rd throw and then the collision happened that was caused by the defense would you call that on on the defense? Its about the nature of the play. If their is contact at any point but doesn't gain/create advantage/disadvantage then we no call. Isn't that the nature of no call? The contact isn't helping/hurting either players ability to do anything.

If the defender ends up on the floor, that's displacement worthy of a foul. He's blocked that path and the shooter is obligated to not run him over. The pending dead ball does not change that. If I let this go as a pattern, I'd be working remedial ball for two years.

Yes I would, if he was still airborne. He is a shooter until he comes back to the floor. If the defense is there and has a LGP prior to the shooter going airborne, and the shooter plows him, I have PC.

When watching the slow motion, it really looks like the defensive player moved into the path of the shooter. However at full speed it looks like a PC. If the ref calls a block on that exact same play, we have 2 shots.

How do you decide when time goes back on the clock and when it doesn't?

Block. Defender moves laterally into the shooter's path after he leaves the floor. Without the lateral movement, there would be very little contact on the play.

If you're officiating the defender and not ballhawking on the shooter, it's not a difficult call.

For those wondering, the officials in the clip went the replay to verify that 1.) the foul occurred before the expiration of time, or 2.) that if the foul occurred after the horn, that the ball was released before 0:00.00 on the clock. After review, they determined the foul occurred with .3 on the clock. As both teams had already gone to their locker rooms, they came back out after halftime, put .3 on the clock...inbounded to end the 2nd quarter, then started the 3rd quarter immediately.

If someone on the crew sees time on the clock at or after the whistle, you put that on. If not, you don't.

Common sense does exist at times.

He was going to get hit whether he moved or not. He was hit square in the chest and had only move his torso a few inches...no where near enough make the difference in contact or none. It may be a tough call but don't bail the shooter out just because the defender shifts...the rules only require that the defender be in the path and he met that requirement. It's an easy out that too many officials take when the defender twitches or moves a bit but it isn't by rule.
It is about the fact that the shooter elected to take a path that was occupied in order to get a more desirable shot than the defense was allowing. The advantage gained was in the path taken to the shot that carried him through the shooter.

Common sense tells you to finish the 2nd quarter after halftime?
I don't like the way that the crew did this. Why did they allow the teams to leave before finishing their video review of the play?

+1 defender does a quick hop to his right

Without replay you need to decide whether it was "a foul so close to the end of the period that the clock couldn't be stopped" or "a timing error" (or whatever the specific rules wordings are). There used to be a "1 second lag time" rule in the books.

I'm not sure we are going to agree on this one. I feel like (based on what I'm seeing in slo mo) that the defender moved his feet once the player was airborne to get into his path - where he wasn't previous with his feet and chest. That being said at game speed it looked good by the defender.

I understand why the contact and occured and who you are saying is responsible. If the same actions took place but the defense was much larger then the offense and their was little to no displacement. Then you would most likely no call it in any siutation. Almost certainly at the end of the quarter. In this case there is significant displacment but the displacement doesn't gain an advantage or put at a disadvantage the way it normally would because of the clock situation. I'm not arguing to routinely make a pattern of no calling this, but that in isolation the clock situation creates no call as it has no immediate impact on the play.

I agree. At super slow motion, you see the defense move slightly to his right, however at full speed I have no problem with how this played was called.

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+1 They should have kept the players on the court. The Slot did a good job of getting in that position on this play. I think it is odd that the Lead is a statue.

The defender had position. Was at the spot regardless of slight movement he had the position. Charge is the right call. or at least that is what I would call. The official was in a great position to make the call. He was able to see both bodies..