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bainsey Sun Nov 25, 2012 02:01am

Came across this question...
 
...while preparing for our rules test tomorrow:

"A-1’s try is bouncing directly above the basket, in the cylinder, when A-2 grasps the ring. After A-2 releases his/her grasp, the ball enters the basket.

Official rules a technical foul on A-2 and disallows the basket. Is the official correct?"

HawkeyeCubP Sun Nov 25, 2012 02:10am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 863312)
...while preparing for our rules test tomorrow:

"A-1’s try is bouncing directly above the basket, in the cylinder, when A-2 grasps the ring. After A-2 releases his/her grasp, the ball enters the basket.

Official rules a technical foul on A-2 and disallows the basket. Is the official correct?"

No.

RookieDude Sun Nov 25, 2012 02:22am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 863312)
...while preparing for our rules test tomorrow:

"A-1’s try is bouncing directly above the basket, in the cylinder, when A-2 grasps the ring. After A-2 releases his/her grasp, the ball enters the basket.

Official rules a technical foul on A-2 and disallows the basket. Is the official correct?"

...sounds like basket interference to me...is this a trick question?

4-6-1

APG Sun Nov 25, 2012 02:35am

Quote:

Originally Posted by RookieDude (Post 863314)
...sounds like basket interference to me...is this a trick question?

4-6-1

It's only basket interference if the rim hasn't returned back to its normal position (assuming the rim is released before the ball enters in the basket).

As to the OP, answer is no.

Nevadaref Sun Nov 25, 2012 04:10am

Quote:

Originally Posted by APG (Post 863315)
It's only basket interference if the rim hasn't returned back to its normal position (assuming the rim is released before the ball enters in the basket).

As to the OP, answer is no.

Actually, even that isn't enough. For this specific action to cause a BI violation, not only must the ring have not yet returned to its original position when the ball enters the basket, but the ball must make contact with the ring. If it passes through without doing so, then no violation has occurred.

Consult the specific wording of 4-6-4.

As for the question in the OP, it is a technical foul on A2, but not enough information is provided to state whether BI has occurred or not, so we really can't answer the question.

BillyMac Sun Nov 25, 2012 07:16am

Who You Gonna Call ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 863319)
For this specific action to cause a BI violation, the ball must make contact with the ring. If it passes through without doing so, then no violation has occurred.

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6230/6...473e048e_m.jpg

It is legal to touch the ring or the net if the ball is above the ring and not touching the ring, even if the ball is in the imaginary cylinder above the ring.

bainsey Sun Nov 25, 2012 12:40pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 863320)
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6230/6...473e048e_m.jpg

It is legal to touch the ring or the net if the ball is above the ring and not touching the ring, even if the ball is in the imaginary cylinder above the ring.

Touch, yes. Grasp, no.

So, if grasping is a T by rule, and it would basically kill the shot, why wouldn't, the answer be YES?

bob jenkins Sun Nov 25, 2012 12:42pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 863337)
Touch, yes. Grasp, no.

So, if grasping is a T by rule, and it would basically kill the shot, why wouldn't, the answer be YES?

Why would a T "kill the shot" that had already been released?

APG Sun Nov 25, 2012 12:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 863337)
So, if grasping is a T by rule, and it would basically kill the shot, why wouldn't, the answer be YES?

Are you sure about that?

just another ref Sun Nov 25, 2012 12:44pm

Why would it kill the shot?

bainsey Sun Nov 25, 2012 01:47pm

Ah, there it is. Thanks.

APG Sun Nov 25, 2012 01:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 863341)
Ah, there it is. Thanks.

Also grasping isn't a T if done so to prevent injury.

SamIAm Sun Nov 25, 2012 05:28pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 863319)
Actually, even that isn't enough. For this specific action to cause a BI violation, not only must the ring have not yet returned to its original position when the ball enters the basket, but the ball must make contact with the ring. If it passes through without doing so, then no violation has occurred.

Consult the specific wording of 4-6-4.

As for the question in the OP, it is a technical foul on A2, but not enough information is provided to state whether BI has occurred or not, so we really can't answer the question.

Doesn't A2 have to hang on the rim to invoke a T? If A2 grasps, lets go and does not hang, no violation. Correct as required.

Nevadaref Sun Nov 25, 2012 06:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamIAm (Post 863354)
Doesn't A2 have to hang on the rim to invoke a T? If A2 grasps, lets go and does not hang, no violation. Correct as required.

Nope, the rule is about grasping. Hanging is not part of it. See 10-3-3.

Sharpshooternes Sun Nov 25, 2012 07:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 863359)
Nope, the rule is about grasping. Hanging is not part of it. See 10-3-3.

Let me see If I can summarize this correctly. A1 shoots a try at own basket. while try is in flight, A2 grasps the ring A) legally (to protect from injury) or B) illegally. The ring is pulled down but returns to its normal position before the ball passes through the ring without touching it, only the net. So, in A) legal. basket is counted and no violation or technical is charged to A2.
B) A1's try is counted as try was in flight prior to technical foul charged to A2 for grasping the ring. B is given 2 technical foul shots shot by any legal player or substitute and given the ball at midcourt line.

How is this?


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