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ARef Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:41am
AP Throw In Spot
 
Before A1 releases the ball on a Free Throw, B1 enters the lane from a marked lane space. After B1 enters the lane and before the ball is released for a try A2 crosses the 3-point line (A) behind shooter A1 and directly above the key area, or (B) to either side of the key area. Please apply the rule and consider where the subsequent throw in takes place.

bob jenkins Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:50am
The violation by each team is enforced. No point can be scored. Go to the arrow for the throw-in (I'm assuming there's no FT to follow).

In (B), the "spot closest to the violation" could be either the end-line or the side-line, depending on which violation you choose. As a practical matter, I'm probably choosing the endline.

Camron Rust Thu Nov 08, 2012 12:40pm
I remember an interpretation sometime back wherein the spot of a the AP throwin for a double violation (maybe it was a double foul) was determined by the location of the violation of that team that did not have the arrow.

In (A), it wouldn't matter, however, since that violation would put A2 in the semi-circle and this the spot for both violations would be on the endline.

In (B), it would matter. If the arrow were pointing to A, it would be an endline throwin since B's violation was in the lane. If the arrow were pointing to B, it would be along the sideline nearest where A2 violated.

bob jenkins Thu Nov 08, 2012 12:43pm
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 861393)
I remember an interpretation sometime back wherein the spot of a the AP throwin for a double violation (maybe it was a double foul) was determined by the location of the violation of that team that didn't not have the arrow.

In (A), it wouldn't matter, however, since that violation would put A2 in the semi-circle and this the spot for both violations would be on the endline.

In (B), it would matter. If the arrow were pointing to A, it would be an endline throwin since B's violation was in the lane. If the arrow were pointing to B, it would be along the sideline nearest where A2 violated.
That's a good way to resolve it.

Another might be that the initial violation is a delayed dead ball, so it's really the second that causes the AP arrow, so inbound at the spot of the second.

Adam Thu Nov 08, 2012 12:55pm
Seems to me the best option is to treat it like POI. Where was the ball?

billyu2 Thu Nov 08, 2012 01:42pm
+1
 
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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 861397)
Seems to me the best option is to treat it like POI. Where was the ball?
That sounds the most logical to me as well.

RookieDude Thu Nov 08, 2012 01:53pm
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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 861397)
Seems to me the best option is to treat it like POI. Where was the ball?
ARef...thanks for posting this question today. We had this discussion last night at our meeting. (I said put the ball at the endline...but, I could be confinced otherwise)

Looks like the "heavy hitters" are sort of in the "not sure" mode also.

I do like Cameron's possible interp though.

bob jenkins Thu Nov 08, 2012 02:37pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by billyu2 (Post 861403)
that sounds the most logical to me as well.
-1 ;)

BillyMac Thu Nov 08, 2012 06:45pm
Peppermint Twist ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ARef (Post 861376)
Before A1 releases the ball on a Free Throw, B1 enters the lane from a marked lane space. After B1 enters the lane and before the ball is released for a try A2 crosses the 3-point line behind shooter A1.
I would like to twist this a little just to satisfy my curiosity. If A2 violated from one of the marked lane spaces on the perimeter of the lane rather than violating from behind the circle, would the official ignore the violation by A2 and just stick up a fist for a delayed violation on B1, and then play on if A1 makes the shot, or give A1 another try if he misses?

HawkeyeCubP Thu Nov 08, 2012 08:48pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 861470)
I would like to twist this a little just to satisfy my curiosity. If A2 violated from one of the marked lane spaces on the perimeter of the lane rather than violating from behind the circle, would the official ignore the violation by A2 and just stick up a fist for a delayed violation on B1, and then play on if A1 makes the shot, or give A1 another try if he misses?
Yes.

RookieDude Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:37pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 861470)
I would like to twist this a little just to satisfy my curiosity. If A2 violated from one of the marked lane spaces on the perimeter of the lane rather than violating from behind the circle, would the official ignore the violation by A2 and just stick up a fist for a delayed violation on B1, and then play on if A1 makes the shot, or give A1 another try if he misses?
Rule 9-1 Penalties: 4a


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