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JRutledge Sun Oct 14, 2012 01:20pm

3 Point line Rule History?
 
Does anyone know when the 3 point line was brought into National Federation rules?

And if the rule was implimented by the National Federation, did any state use the rule before accepted by the National Federation.

I do know that in college the rule came in for the 1986-1987 season, but it seems unclear if that was the same year for the National Federation. Calling all my old-timers to help me out with this one.

Peace

BktBallRef Sun Oct 14, 2012 01:25pm

2011-2012 NFHS Handbook

1987-Adopted three-point field goal;

JRutledge Sun Oct 14, 2012 01:37pm

Was that the 1987-1988 season or the 1986-1987 season?

Peace

Rich Sun Oct 14, 2012 02:15pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 858283)
Was that the 1987-1988 season or the 1986-1987 season?

Peace

My first year of working high school basketball was 1987-88. It was the first year of the 3 point line in PA.

BktBallRef Sun Oct 14, 2012 08:00pm

The Handbook says the rule for the 3 point line was installed in 1986. But the 3 point field goal wasn't added until 1987. Doesn't make much sense.

If it was added in 87, it was for the 87-88 season.

johnny d Sun Oct 14, 2012 08:14pm

dont know when federation put it in rules, but the first season it was used in illinois was definately 1987-1988 season.

Altor Sun Oct 14, 2012 08:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 858303)
The Handbook says the rule for the 3 point line was installed in 1986. But the 3 point field goal wasn't added until 1987. Doesn't make much sense.

This happens sometimes when it comes to remarking floors. They'll allow for a line or mark to be there one year and require and make use of it the next. That way, if a school is repainting or building a new gym, they don't have to spend money to remark it one year later.

Stat-Man Sun Oct 14, 2012 09:19pm

1987-88 was the first year it was used in my neck of the woods in Michigan.

paulsonj72 Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:57pm

According to the 2012-2012 Basketball handbook it became an optional rule in 1985(by state association adaptation) before it became a nationwide rule in 1987-88. Before that time IIRC there were a few states that expirimented with the rule. I recall Iowa and North Dakota being 2 states that expirimented with the rule prior to 1985(85-86 season). It was at 19 feet in 1985 before going to the 19'9" distance in 1986 where it remains today.

csb1971 Mon Oct 15, 2012 09:03am

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Originally Posted by Stat-Man (Post 858310)
1987-88 was the first year it was used in my neck of the woods in Michigan.

Yep...I was a junior that year. I remember that being the first year of the 3 point shot in Michigan. Pretty exciting from a player's perspective, although I would have been very hard pressed to have even hit the net from 3 point range. I guess that's why I'm an official now....:D

amusedofficial Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:25am

Whatever the date is, it looms as one of the darkest days in the history of the sport, right up there with adoption of the possession arrow.

BillyMac Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:24am

Alias Smith And Jones ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by amusedofficial (Post 858373)
Whatever the date is, it looms as one of the darkest days in the history of the sport, right up there with adoption of the possession arrow.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.: Why are you using amusedofficial's username? And why is your post so short?



Bill:

Actually, from a purist stand point I am not the biggest fan of the three-point FG but really didn't care one way or the other when it was adopted at both the NFHS, NCAA, NBA/WNBA, or FIBA level. As a fan it is fun to watch. Still it is not the abomination upon the game that Alternationg Possession is. :p

MTD, Sr.

NDRef Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:50pm

North Dakota started using 3-point line in 1982-83 season for Class A basketball.

letemplay Mon Oct 15, 2012 01:30pm

Arm waving
 
Were officials mechanics the same as now far as 3-PT signals?

RadioBlue Mon Oct 15, 2012 01:53pm

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Originally Posted by billymac (Post 858385)
mark t. Denucci, sr.: Why are you using amusedofficial's username? And why is your post so short?

+1000

:d

Mark Padgett Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by letemplay (Post 858425)
Were officials mechanics the same as now far as 3-PT signals?

No. We would raise both arms when the try went up and then raise a third arm if the try was successful.


Mark:

Thats cold, real cold.

MTD, Sr.

APG Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by amusedofficial (Post 858373)
Whatever the date is, it looms as one of the darkest days in the history of the sport, right up there with adoption of the possession arrow.

I have never understood people who think ill of the three point shot.

BktBallRef Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark padgett (Post 858523)
no. We would raise both arms when the try went up and then raise a third arm if the try was successful.

+10 :)

JRutledge Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:28pm

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Originally Posted by APG (Post 858524)
I have never understood people who think ill of the three point shot.

I don't either.

Peace

amusedofficial Tue Oct 16, 2012 01:01am

Why I think ill of the three point shot
 
Basketball is a game, not a skills competition. I don't like it because a field goal is a field goal is a field goal, and awarding a long shot 50 percent more points than a basket you work for destroys the essential balance of the game.

Camron Rust Tue Oct 16, 2012 02:09am

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Originally Posted by amusedofficial (Post 858541)
Basketball is a game, not a skills competition. I don't like it because a field goal is a field goal is a field goal, and awarding a long shot 50 percent more points than a basket you work for destroys the essential balance of the game.

All nice except that the game was changing anyway. The purpose of the 3-point line was not to make longs shots worth more but to open up the lane. The interior game was becoming increasingly clogged up. With bigger players, it just wasn't the same as the game was designed. By creating a more valuable long distance shot, it spread the game back out again and actually made it more possible to run intricate plays for interior shots.

bainsey Tue Oct 16, 2012 05:27am

I went to high school in Maine and South Carolina. In South Carolina (a private school league), the 3-point line (same distance as today) was brought in my junior year, 1983-84. Maine picked it up when the NFHS adopted it.

letemplay Tue Oct 16, 2012 08:17am

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Originally Posted by mark padgett (Post 858523)
no. We would raise both arms when the try went up and then raise a third arm if the try was successful.

That's good...hope the table can see your third limb

Mark Padgett Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:59am

Quote:

Originally Posted by amusedofficial (Post 858541)
Basketball is a game, not a skills competition.

Yes, it's a game - a game you win based on how well you utilize your skills. Are you saying they shouldn't have widened the lane either, when George Mikan became unstoppable due primarily to his size?

Rich Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:19am

Comments towards posters and their perceived intelligence will be deleted.

Camron Rust Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:48pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 859129)
Comments towards posters and their perceived intelligence will be deleted.


Rich, you are a genius. :eek:

Adam Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:56pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 859165)
Rich, you are a genius. :eek:

That's unacceptable. This is your warning. ;)

amusedofficial Fri Nov 09, 2012 02:32am

One can shoot long field goals all day, every day. Jerry Lucas could turn a game around by shooting from outside because it brought the other team's big guys out of the lane.

Shoot outside all you want, no rule has ever prohibited or discouraged the practrice.

I just do not now,nor have I ever, understood why such a shot deserves more points than other successful field goals.

Shall we award a run and a half on a successful steal of home? How about nine points for a touchdown on a run from scrimmage from inside your own 20? Maybe unassisted goals ought to be worth three goals to make up for the assists not awarded.

BillyMac Fri Nov 09, 2012 07:54am

Calvinball ???
 
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Originally Posted by amusedofficial (Post 861493)
Shall we award a run and a half on a successful steal of home? How about nine points for a touchdown on a run from scrimmage from inside your own 20? Maybe unassisted goals ought to be worth three goals to make up for the assists not awarded.

Man. I hope that Bud Selig, Roger Goodell, and Gary Bettman don't read this Forum.

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HawkeyeCubP Sun Nov 11, 2012 01:24am

Quote:

Originally Posted by amusedofficial (Post 861493)
One can shoot long field goals all day, every day. Jerry Lucas could turn a game around by shooting from outside because it brought the other team's big guys out of the lane.

Shoot outside all you want, no rule has ever prohibited or discouraged the practrice.

I just do not now,nor have I ever, understood why such a shot deserves more points than other successful field goals.

Shall we award a run and a half on a successful steal of home? How about nine points for a touchdown on a run from scrimmage from inside your own 20? Maybe unassisted goals ought to be worth three goals to make up for the assists not awarded.

Just stirring the pot a little here, but FWIW, basketball isn't the only sport that does this.

And mathematically speaking, the margin for error (and therefore, difficulty) increases the further away from the goal the shooter is.

BillyMac Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:12pm

Dunkin' Donuts ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP (Post 861654)
And mathematically speaking, the margin for error (and therefore, difficulty) increases the further away from the goal the shooter is.

At my height, and age, the "margin for error" for me to dunk the ball is 100%. If I ever dunk the ball, it should be worth about a bazillion points.

JRutledge Sun Nov 11, 2012 01:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by amusedofficial (Post 861493)
One can shoot long field goals all day, every day. Jerry Lucas could turn a game around by shooting from outside because it brought the other team's big guys out of the lane.

Shoot outside all you want, no rule has ever prohibited or discouraged the practrice.

I just do not now,nor have I ever, understood why such a shot deserves more points than other successful field goals.

Shall we award a run and a half on a successful steal of home? How about nine points for a touchdown on a run from scrimmage from inside your own 20? Maybe unassisted goals ought to be worth three goals to make up for the assists not awarded.

It is simple. The rule was created to not only be for those that were bigger, which used to be the case, especially in the UCLA Dynasty era. They had the bigger athletes and the best bigger athletes and they won continuously. Shooters can be of all sizes and if you make the shot it will make the game more exciting. Kind of the reason that football gives 2 points for conversion if you do not kick the ball. I am not sure why it is wrong to make a rule that would actually make the game exciting?

Peace

BillyMac Sun Nov 11, 2012 01:50pm

With Apologies To Tevye ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 861680)
I am not sure why it is wrong to make a rule that would actually make the game exciting?

"Tradition, tradition! Tradition! Tradition, tradition! Tradition!"

APG Sun Nov 11, 2012 02:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 861680)
I am not sure why it is wrong to make a rule that would actually make the game exciting?

Peace

Be careful with that line of thinking...the game of basketball might not be basketball to some and rather just entertainment. ;)


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