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26 Year Gap Sat Oct 13, 2012 07:08pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 858222)
Evidently you also don't like to be helpful, cooperative or doing anything that you're not made to. Are you always so stubborn?

Your partners must be thrilled when they see your name on their assignments.

Partner's name is "Costello."

deecee Sat Oct 13, 2012 08:24pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 858222)
Evidently you also don't like to be helpful, cooperative or doing anything that you're not made to. Are you always so stubborn?

Your partners must be thrilled when they see your name on their assignments.

Nice and presumptive off of one case play. Funny how "judgement" outside the rules is applied to reasoning when it best serves one or not. One can make allowances in the spirit of the games as well as jump through flaming hoops. Run your games as you wish I try and keep interpretations out of it when necessary so that expectations are consistent (or in this case inconsistent).

It's like hearing "Oh but the other officials let us."

All I'm saying is that make an allowance but beyond that keep it simple and follow the rule. Most likely if the kid has to change his jersey he has to leave the gym anyway. You going to hold up the game this whole time? He has as much chance to make it to the locker room, if that is where the replacement jersey is to change and be back most likely by the next opportunity to sub in. But you can let them change on the bench since that would speed things up more.

Camron Rust Sat Oct 13, 2012 09:12pm

As many have said...a blood change absolves the team from being penalized for players wearing new jerseys. Even if the change is a ripple effect. If they take one from a sub, the rule and reasoning given behind the rules also permit that sub to take a new jersey when one becomes available (perhaps from the lockerroom or team bus).

Remember, we are making them take the shirt off as a result of the blood. The penalties regarding book/number changes are all there to ensure the team fills out the book correctly...nothing else.

Nevadaref Sun Oct 14, 2012 03:59am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 858240)
As many have said...a blood change absolves the team from being penalized for players wearing new jerseys. Even if the change is a ripple effect. If they take one from a sub, the rule and reasoning given behind the rules also permit that sub to take a new jersey when one becomes available (perhaps from the lockerroom or team bus).

Remember, we are making them take the shirt off as a result of the blood. The penalties regarding book/number changes are all there to ensure the team fills out the book correctly...nothing else.

Correct and fully supported by the ruling in the case play.
Deecee is unfortunately dead wrong on this one.

deecee Sun Oct 14, 2012 09:40am

well if Nevada is supporting this then I guess for consistency sake I'll change my POV as he is the #1 rule stickler here. Consider me convinced.

JRutledge Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:59am

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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 858267)
well if Nevada is supporting this then I guess for consistency sake I'll change my POV as he is the #1 rule stickler here. Consider me convinced.

You were quoted a case play which is intended to clear up or make statements of situations not always clear in the rulebook. That should have been enough right there.

Peace

BktBallRef Sun Oct 14, 2012 12:58pm

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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 858267)
well if Nevada is supporting this then I guess for consistency sake I'll change my POV as he is the #1 rule stickler here. Consider me convinced.

Nothing in the rule book or case book has changed since thie thread started. http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra.../shakehead.gif

deecee Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:43am

It still doesn't seem very logical to me but everyone else seems to think otherwise so there is no sense in me being the only one who enforces things different. Seems I was incorrect in my interpretation. Still don't like it but I don't have to.

JRutledge Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:20pm

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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 858391)
It still doesn't seem very logical to me but everyone else seems to think otherwise so there is no sense in me being the only one who enforces things different. Seems I was incorrect in my interpretation. Still don't like it but I don't have to.

And with all the focus on diseases and blood born diseases and health of the participants, I doubt seriously in many situations this would even be a problem. With the solutions at most trainers disposal that takes blood out of most clothing and certainly athletic gear, I think is not much of a issue to have a kid change their jersey. Changing a jersey would be such and extreme remedy from my experience that is why I would not even make a big deal out of this if that was the solution. I guess if no trainer is at the game then this might be an issue. But nowadays there is a trainer present for everything involving a school.

Peace


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