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bob jenkins Fri Oct 12, 2012 02:54pm

I think that's why they put the play there. Too many think either that all violations are treated as "only penalize the first" or as "double" when there are several combinations that can happen depending on the type of violations.

Adam Fri Oct 12, 2012 03:00pm

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Originally Posted by tref (Post 858105)
Still 3 outs...

Wondering would that 3rd apply in college since OOB is not involved??

How exactly is the NCAA rule worded?

bob jenkins Fri Oct 12, 2012 03:07pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 858118)
How exactly is the NCAA rule worded?

Is that rhetorical?

Freddy Fri Oct 12, 2012 03:17pm

From the Land of Skyblue Waters
 
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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 858109)
I'd say you owe him a beverage.

I'll buy him a pitcher of daft beer.

Camron Rust Fri Oct 12, 2012 03:19pm

Fundamental point....

ALL traveling violations involve movement a foot that is in contact with the floor while the player is holding the ball.

(Noting the one exception from the case book that illegalizes an attempt to circumvent the rules).

AKOFL Sat Oct 13, 2012 09:16pm

5-12.1.c timeout not granted to a player or coach when an airborne players momentum is carring him/her out of bounds or into the backcourt. case play A.R. 155

Nevadaref Sun Oct 14, 2012 04:01am

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Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 858034)
A rookie official -- and I give him hearty credit for this -- pushed back on a point that I was making last night that: A rebounder violates if he begins a dribble while still airborne.

I note nothing in 4-15 to back that up, but do have 4.44.3B which, though a different situation, seems similar: "...one foot must be considered to be the pivot and must be on the floor when the ball is released to start a dribble. The fact that no pivot foot had been established does not alter this ruling."

Am I correct that this casebook sitch also would apply to a rebounder who begins a dribble while still airborne?

Btw the NFHS issued an interpretation ruling on this play a few seasons ago stating that it was legal for a rebounder or an airborne player catching a pass to begin a dribble prior to either foot coming down and contacting the floor. If someone wishes to search for it and post it.

SNIPERBBB Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:04pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 858257)
Btw the NFHS issued an interpretation ruling on this play a few seasons ago stating that it was legal for a rebounder or an airborne player catching a pass to begin a dribble prior to either foot coming down and contacting the floor. If someone wishes to search for it and post it.


Hmm..so we couldnt "save" a team and a really screwed up wrong basket situation where a kid rebounds an attempt at the wrong basket and the rebounder jumps, catches and "shoots" again?

Thread from 2010
http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...pretation.html

bob jenkins Mon Oct 15, 2012 08:17am

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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB (Post 858317)
Hmm..so we couldnt "save" a team and a really screwed up wrong basket situation where a kid rebounds an attempt at the wrong basket and the rebounder jumps, catches and "shoots" again?

Thread from 2010
http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...pretation.html

I don't understand the question, or what the thread you referenced has to do with the OP or the situation in your question.

But, if a team "shoots" at the wrong basket, it's not a try, is probably a dribble and all the other rules (especially travelling and ilelgal dribble) apply. If it's "really screwed up" as in both teams and the officials confused about the proper direction, then treat it as if the teams are going the proper direction until there's an opportunity to turn them around.


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