I Think They Teach This
 

Opening tip, I'm R, and right after I announce direction and color, I hear the U, "Hold your spots."

:rolleyes:

Who You Gonna Call ??? Not The Mythbusters ...
 

The Mythbusters don't deal with ridiculous myths like this.

Elucidate for me what is wrong with that.

It's like telling everyone to go behind the half court line for technical foul free throws.

Other than it not being a rule?

I got bigger nits to pick with many officials, though.

ART. 2 . . . When the official is ready and until the ball is tossed, nonjumpers
shall not:
a. Move onto the center restraining circle.
b. Change position around the center restraining circle.

So telling everyone to "hold their spots" is not supported by rule. If they are on the circle, they can't move to another spot, but they can move their feet around if they want to...if they aren't, they can wander all over the court if they want to.

I agree. I normally don't think twice when I hear it, but this was the first time I've heard the U say it, as if he thought I had forgotten it.

I wonder what he would've said had you "forgot" to tell the teams which way they were going :D

As you might have noticed, we were taught to say this (but as the R, not the U). I agree that it doesn't apply to those not on the circle but it does to those on the circle and as I've always understood it, they are who we were communicating with.

I guess I'll drop it but at least I got to use elucidate in a sentence.

No, it actually doesn't.

Those on the circle may leave the circle at any time....no restriction.

The ONLY thing that is restricted is a player moving into a new spot around the circle (which is defined as being within 3 feet) and applies whether they come from elsewhere on the circle or from a position off the circle.

Hold Your Spots ???
 

What? They can back off the circle anytime they want.

This is why I believe that the NFHS should do away with all jump balls. Many officials, including myself, don't know the jump ball rules as well as we did back in the olden days when we had several jump balls in a game, at three different circles, with a several different players jumping.

Man, I hope that Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. doesn't read this post. If he does, I'm sure that he'll chastise me for my opinion. Hopefully he's busy moderating over on the Softball Forum and won't see this. Hey Mark T. DeNucci, Sr., if you do read this, and decide to comment, remember that since the Forum merger with Twitter you are limited to 140 characters.

IDK why we interpret "onto" as any & all movement for all players...

Had a partner (U) call a violation during my toss because a player in the b/c walked toward his coach :-(

I used to get (mildly) annoyed by this. Now, i just <strike>assume</strike> pretend that the official who says this is talking to the jumpers -- to whom it does (reasonably) apply.

OK, point made and despite Billy's implication, I do actually know the rule.

And because of that, I learned something new! I can't wait to work it into a conversation. :)

Recite Them, Without Looking, No Cheating ...
 

I don't. At least not all the various permutations of the jump ball rules. I used to, but that was three decades ago.

I have been known to say this and, well, I do say it to the jumpers. I also tell them not to steal it and then I launch it up when neither of them is ready. Just kidding.

The players around the circle, those are not my responsibility. I'm too busy trying not to get elbowed in the face. :)

I have said, "Wait until the ball is tipped" but I am more talking to the jumpers. As far as I am concerned, this is more on the teams to know the rules. And I only say this as the Referee. Never thought of the other players honestly.

Peace

Does everyone announce direction and color? It is common in my area but I am not sure why.

As the R, I confirm with captains that their team is on the floor and ready to go. Then I whistle and toss. Probably less than 2 seconds between tweet and toss. Not much time to get in trouble. As a U, I keep my mouth shut and hope nothing blows up.

Personally, I think a jump ball is a terrible way to get a great start to a game but a great way to get a terrible start to a game.

Dr. James Naismith And Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Were College Roommates ...
 

Scratch85: You had better delete your statement above before Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. sees it, or you're going to be getting a good scolding.

I do if for no other reason to make sure I am have the teams going in the right direction as the Referee. I tend to look at the benches and hoping I will pick up on misdirection of the players. The last thing I want to do is start a game with teams going in the wrong direction.

Peace

Better To Be Safe Than Sorry ...
 

I do. As I announce I glance over at the benches to be sure that the teams are going in to the correct direction (opposite benches). This little habit of mine, and it's just mine, not my local board's, has saved me from an embarrassing start in several Catholic middle school games, and in a few varsity high school games over the years. If I start he game going in the wrong direction, the coaches, and fans, will have more "ammunition", if you know what I mean.

Will you elucidate just what the jumpers are "waiting for the ball to be tipped for?"

It's in the book, but I dont use it. I was scolded one summer at a camp, the clinician said 1. it made me look so HS & 2. if they dont know which way they are going by now...

Ever since then I just make sure they're lined up properly.

Well played tref, well played. :cool:

Where is it in the book? Like I said, most in my area do it but I didn't think it was in the manuals anywhere.

Did I Guess Correctly ???
 

I'm at work, with no books, but I'll venture a guess. The jumpers are waiting for the ball to be tipped before they leave the jump ball circle. I don't believe that they can leave on the toss, but I'm not sure.

Rule 6-3-7 says Neither jumper shall:

a. Touch the tossed ball before it reaches its highest point.
b. Leave the center restraining circle until the ball has been touched.
c. Catch the jump ball.
d. Touch the ball more than twice.

Peace

In addition
 

The non-jumpers on the center circle are not allowed to enter an occupied space or have a foot over the restraining line until the ball is touched.

In post #25, I meant, where is it in the books that we announce color and direction? Otherwise I was just playing with welp's and tref's pedantic use of the word "elucidate".

Ok, thats a very obvious fact. To each his own & if you like it, I love it!

Personally, I just say *tweet* & toss.

I see what you did there.

Interesting. I don't see it as bad to "look high school," but I'm not trying out for the RMAC, so....

I do it for the reasons Rut stated. The habit has saved me a poor start on more than one occasion, particularly in off season ball.

I don't check with captains, though, so I can't be too judgy.

Well considering I do 3 sports and there are a lot of "obvious rules" that teams and players never know are rules, not sure there is any harm or even direct correlation to players or coaches understanding rules or not understanding rules. I did not suggest that you must do this or that everyone should do this, just what I tell my jumpers. I tell the jumpers other things too as it relates to me getting between them, but next thing you will tell me I cannot do that either. ;)

Peace

Clinicians words not mine.
I'm not trying out for the rwac either, but just because I'm working MS ball tonite doesn't mean I have to look like a MS official does it?
I think the same holds true for college officials working a HS game... They still walk, speak, look & conduct themselves as college officials even though they are working a HS game.

Like "kick, defer, receive?"

I only tell my daughter what she can & cannot do. I thought I said if you like it, I love it.
Do your thing!!

I understand the concept of looking professional.

I'm not, however, fond of using "high school" as a pejorative like your clinician did.

One more sir.

I overstand, this particular clinician knew what my aspirations were going into the camp game. He basically was saying if you want college supervisors to look at you, stop refereeing like a HS official & do what you see the staffers doing as it is what the supervisors like.

No diss on HS bball, I can't wait to get my sched!!

Yep. Or the coach or player not realizing if they make a pick off move to first base, while stepping off the base, that they would only get two bases and not one if the ball is thrown in dead ball territory. We could do this all day.

Peace

You made it sound like there was no rules support. Heck it makes little difference to me if you or anyone says nothing or says the same thing.

I think we worry here too much about what others do honestly.

Peace

Nope.

When In Rome ???
 

Wouldn't it be better if you actually sounded your whistle instead of saying "tweet"?

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It must be a college mechanic.

Defending a goal is not a choice?

It goes along with "kick."

IAABO requires this to be announced.

FIBA does not.

So if the wind is blowing 30mph from the north a team cannot state "we will defend the north goal" as their choice?

Yet many FIBA officials do it just the same. I don't.

To do so, they must first choose to kick. If they do that, they will likely start both halves by kicking.

Okay ... this is off topic. But a team COULD choose to defend a goal (choice "b" in 3-2-3) with the first choice and the other team could opt to kick with the remaining choice (choice "a").

Defending a goal does not automatically dictate you'll be kicking.

That is all.

We now return you to your basketball forum thread ... already in progress.

Good thing I don't have a white hat.

Obviously you've never met Abner Haynes. :D

Google the 1962 AFL Championship game.

I suppose if you're gonna go off topic, it might as well be with a moderator. :D

I'd get one and then take every opportunity to wear it. There's no better way to force yourself to learn the rules inside and out and it couldn't hurt you in your association, either.

Thank you Adam for falling on your sword and taking the heat off of me. :D

I'm tempted to use my powers for evil and erase all record of my wrongs.

Nobody would complain if this whole thread disappeared.... :cool: