Help a rookie out.
 

In all instances both teams have 7 team fouls.

1. A1 while dribbling in the backcourt dribbles the ball off his own foot. While chasing down the ball A1 shoves B1. There are no free throws awarded as team A still has team control.

2. A1 while dribbling in the backcourt dribbles the ball off his own foot. While chasing down the ball B1 shoves A1. A1 is awarded bonus freethrows.

3. A1 attempts a shot and on the rebound A2 fouls B1. B1 is awarded bonus freethrows due to neither team having team control.

Am I correct?

True. TC Foul on A1.

Yes, foul on B and in the bonus.

No TC on a try until possession. So yes you are correct on all of these.

Peace

BTW, Welcome to the forum.

Peace

Thanks. Long time reader first time poster. I called my first "official" game the other night and my "senior partner" would not allow me to award bonus freethrows on the #3 the rebounding foul bc he said there was no team control. I thought I knew what I was talking about but he got me second guessing myself.

Well that is what experience will do for you. And the more and more you work, the more and more confident you will get over what should be done. It is common to doubt yourself early on with rules you have not applied that much in your career.

Peace

That's exactly why you WOULD shoot the bonus free throws...sounds like your senior partner was confused.

He could have had a brain fart. I had the same last year on a loose ball and signaled that we had bonus FTs to shoot. Then a partner came to me and reminded me the situation and saved the crew and me. It happens sometimes in unusual situations sometimes.

Peace

Unusual situations (loose ball stuff), sure. But rebounding fouls should be (I know, I know) basic.

I wonder, though, if jeremy didn't just type it wrong and his veteran partner thought there was team control.

Or, and this is just a thought, A1 was able to control the rebound before fouling B1 (not likely, but possible.) This would make it a PC foul.

All I was trying to say was that we have mental lapses from time to time. It could be that one of the officials was not thinking and questioned what they should do.

Peace

Agreed, and this is the time of year where a lot of officials are shaking off the rust.

In The Navy ...
 

Shake? I need more than that, maybe some Naval Jelly would help?

Maybe some Rust-eze?

In 1 and 2, the shove could also be an intentional or flagrant foul, then you would have 2 free throws and a possible ejection if flagrant.

No I didn't type it wrong. It was just your garden variety rebounding foul with no possession yet. I knew it was basic, I've seen it a million times during my time playing, watching, and coaching. He was just so "sure of himself" tha he got me second guessing myself.

Yeah I worded that poorly. I should have used another term to mean a common foul. Guess that's why I teach Math and not English. :)

Why?

Why not?

Never say never
 

I appreciated jritchie take on this, the push/shove could be so egregious that we have no choice but to upgrade from a common personal to an intentional/flagrant personal.

Coach: But it was a loose ball :D

When it comes to intentional/flagrant, I want to have a reason TO call it, not look for a reason not to call it.

As described, it didn't sound at all intentional or flagrant. Why should I go looking for a reason to make it one.

Two guys going for a lose ball and one knocks the other over on the way to the ball....common foul to me.

I agree, I don't go looking to call intentional or flagrant fouls. They're typically pretty obvious when they happen. But using the word "shove" means at least the intentional could logically be considered for discussion.

True story, we look for a reason to rotate not to upgrade. Those pretty much call themselves.
With the OP being a rookie, I thought jritchies point was a good one.
If I got the WHOLE truth & nothing but the truth when I first started out, I wouldnt have had to forget so many of the half truths.
Newer officials take the words we say to heart... I know I did.

I remember being told that just pointing on OOB was a college mechanic. Years later I found out it was a womens mechanic. The same for standing on the low block for the first of two FTs.

I see shoves every game. "Push" is a synonym for "shove". Hand checks are often "shoves". Seeing a push or hand check doesn't make me think intentional so why should shove.

However, fi it was a shove that was not part of just trying to get the ball (it had no basketball purpose) or was excessive, that is where it turns to an intentional.

I like this mechanic for a few reasons:

a) It shows the players there will be another FT

b) It looks cool...;)

c) Our assignor doesn't really care

...having said that, if the game is being "rated", using NFHS mechanics...I'll do it like the Romans do.:eek: