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palmettoref Tue Sep 25, 2012 01:23pm
Injured Player/Successive Time Outs
 
I have a question regarding a discussion that we had last night in our meeting. It involves a coach using successive timeouts to have his injured player allowed to stay in the game.

If A1 is injured and the coach request a TO and is granted a TO, A1 is allowed to return as long as he is ready to play at the conclusion of the TO. The discussion last night centered around whether the head coach could call a second TO after the first TO if he thought that A1 needed more time to return ----- successive TO's?
Some guys believe that he is allowed ONLY one TO for A1 to be ready to return to play and if he is not ready to play, then he must be substituted for ---- thus not granting a second TO? I can't find a specific ruling on that and want appreciate your clarification.

JRutledge Tue Sep 25, 2012 01:25pm
A player can use as many timeouts that they have in order to get their player into the game. No rules restriction that it only applies to one timeout. Not very likely as timeouts are valuable, but they can call multiple ones legally except when OT is involved.

Peace

palmettoref Tue Sep 25, 2012 01:27pm
Thanks JR ..... that was my thought as well but I wanted to get some more clarification!

BillyMac Tue Sep 25, 2012 01:52pm
Successive Time Outs ???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 856011)
They can call multiple ones legally except when OT is involved.
Fourth period, 0:00 on clock, game hasn't ended?

tref Tue Sep 25, 2012 01:56pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by palmettoref (Post 856009)
The discussion last night centered around whether the head coach could call a second TO after the first TO if he thought that A1 needed more time to return ----- successive TO's?

Some guys believe that he is allowed ONLY one TO for A1 to be ready to return to play and if he is not ready to play, then he must be substituted for ---- thus not granting a second TO? I can't find a specific ruling on that and want appreciate your clarification.
Most made up rules cannot be found. 5-12-3

Raymond Tue Sep 25, 2012 02:05pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by palmettoref (Post 856015)
Thanks JR ..... that was my thought as well but I wanted to get some more clarification!
Jeff's opinion is great but it is still just the opinion of an anonymous internet dude. It's not going to carry much weight if you work a game with one of those guys and the situation comes up.

More useful is knowing the exact rule(s) that would cover this situation and being on the ready with input.

JRutledge Tue Sep 25, 2012 02:13pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 856030)
Jeff's opinion is great but it is still just the opinion of an anonymous internet dude. It's not going to carry much weight if you work a game with one of those guys and the situation comes up.

More useful is knowing the exact rule(s) that would cover this situation and being on the ready with input.
Hey, I resemble that remark.

I do totally agree with you BTW.

Peace

Adam Tue Sep 25, 2012 03:35pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 856023)
Fourth period, 0:00 on clock, game hasn't ended?
Right, Jeff worded it slightly incorrectly, in that OT really isn't a factor; but the expiration of time in the fourth quarter or OT is what prevents successive TOs.

PAULK1 Tue Sep 25, 2012 11:25pm
Rule 3-3-7 & casebook 3.3.7C both say that the player must be ready to play by the end of the TO. As with any other required sub situations any further TO's should not be granted until all required substitutions are completed.

JRutledge Tue Sep 25, 2012 11:33pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam (Post 856053)
Right, Jeff worded it slightly incorrectly, in that OT really isn't a factor; but the expiration of time in the fourth quarter or OT is what prevents successive TOs.
Well that does involve OT, it just is not the actual wording of the rule, that is true. Then again something told me that folks would point this out. ;)

Peace

Adam Tue Sep 25, 2012 11:49pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 856103)
Well that does involve OT, it just is not the actual wording of the rule, that is true. Then again something told me that folks would point this out. ;)

Peace
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Camron Rust Wed Sep 26, 2012 01:25am
Quote:
Originally Posted by PAULK1 (Post 856101)
Rule 3-3-7 & casebook 3.3.7C both say that the player must be ready to play by the end of the TO. As with any other required sub situations any further TO's should not be granted until all required substitutions are completed.
While it may not be the intended meaning of the rule, both the rule book and case book do seem to agree with you as they talk about the timeout in singular form....seeming to mean they only get one timeout to have the player ready to continue. If not, the player must be replaced.

BillyMac Wed Sep 26, 2012 06:28am
Further Clarification Needed ???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by PAULK1 (Post 856101)
Rule 3-3-7 & casebook 3.3.7C both say that the player must be ready to play by the end of the TO. As with any other required sub situations any further TO's should not be granted until all required substitutions are completed.
3.3.7 SITUATION C: Officials discover blood on players A1 and B1 simultaneously
and direct both players to leave the game. After notification by the officials,
(a) Team A chooses to call a time-out to keep A1 in the game, while Team B elects
to substitute B6 for B1; (b) both teams request a time-out to keep A1 and B1 in
the game. RULING: In (a), B6 must enter the game prior to the official granting
the time-out for Team A. A1 must be ready to play by the end of the time-out. B1
may not re-enter the game until the next opportunity to substitute after time has
run off the clock. In (b), both teams are charged a time-out and the time-outs run
concurrently. If one team requests a 60-second time-out and the other a 30, the
duration shall be 60 seconds. Both A1 and B1 must be ready to play by the end
of the time-out.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 856105)
While it may not be the intended meaning of the rule, both the rule book and case book do seem to agree with you as they talk about the timeout in singular form, seeming to mean they only get one timeout to have the player ready to continue. If not, the player must be replaced.
I'm not sure that I agree with this. I hope that Forum members continue the discussion to either confirm, or deny, this.

BillyMac Wed Sep 26, 2012 06:35am
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billyu2 Wed Sep 26, 2012 07:45am
two separate rules, one purpose
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 856110)
3.3.7 SITUATION C: Officials discover blood on players A1 and B1 simultaneously
and direct both players to leave the game. After notification by the officials,
(a) Team A chooses to call a time-out to keep A1 in the game, while Team B elects
to substitute B6 for B1; (b) both teams request a time-out to keep A1 and B1 in
the game. RULING: In (a), B6 must enter the game prior to the official granting
the time-out for Team A. A1 must be ready to play by the end of the time-out. B1
may not re-enter the game until the next opportunity to substitute after time has
run off the clock. In (b), both teams are charged a time-out and the time-outs run
concurrently. If one team requests a 60-second time-out and the other a 30, the
duration shall be 60 seconds. Both A1 and B1 must be ready to play by the end
of the time-out.



I'm not sure that I agree with this. I hope that Forum members continue the discussion to either confirm, or deny, this.

Both rules (3-3-6,7) and (5-11-7) I believe were implemented to prevent lengthy delays by using successive time outs (1) to allow an injured player to return to action and (2) to keep a player from shooting crucial free throw(s) when the fourth quarter or OT period has ended. It would have been nice if it were added to 5-11-7..."or to extend the time needed to get an injured player ready" but 3-3-6,7 already says "unless a time-out" (singular) is granted..."and the situation can be corrected by the end of the time-out." (singular)


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