NCAA Sanctioned HS Tourney

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

I've always wondered whether coaches act differently during the non-officiating camp/2-person portion of these tournaments. Not to say they're always angels during the 3-person segment but I've suspected they behave better during the camp because more people are watching them.

I'd like to think having the extra official and having college-level officials makes a difference but I know that's a pipe dream

There is a D2 Camp that I have attended for the last few years. The camp consists of 3 Person and most officials have some college experience and in some cases there are D1 officials in attendance as well. There has to be about 3 or 4 coaches every year that are thrown out of games at this camp. And just about everyone that attends the camp can referee their behind off.

I also know a few HS conference assignors that refuse to use AAU tournaments as a camp for this very reason. AAU coaches have no accountability and often act like because they paid some money they are entitled to act complete jerks while trying to play coach for a weekend.

The type of things I dealt with this weekend you almost never see during a HS/college season. Oh well, I am glad the summer season is over.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

AAU coaches have no accountability.

How true. No athletic director. No principal. No school superintendent. No school board.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

There is a D2 Camp that I have attended for the last few years. The camp consists of 3 Person and most officials have some college experience and in some cases there are D1 officials in attendance as well. There has to be about 3 or 4 coaches every year that are thrown out of games at this camp. And just about everyone that attends the camp can referee their behind off.

I also know a few HS conference assignors that refuse to use AAU tournaments as a camp for this very reason. AAU coaches have no accountability and often act like because they paid some money they are entitled to act complete jerks while trying to play coach for a weekend.

The type of things I dealt with this weekend you almost never see during a HS/college season. Oh well, I am glad the summer season is over.

Peace

So much for that

Do the observers step in at the D2 camp if things get way out of hand? I know at the AAU-based camp I attend if a coach was to truly get nutty - e.g., gets booted but won't leave - the observers will step in so we can get the game going. Not that it has happened (that I can recall) but the potential is there.

[tref]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Do the observers step in at the D2 camp if things get way out of hand? I know at the AAU-based camp I attend if a coach was to truly get nutty - e.g., gets booted but won't leave - the observers will step in so we can get the game going. Not that it has happened (that I can recall) but the potential is there.

Just got back from a camp & we were told to put 1 minute on the clock & if the ejected coach wasnt gone when it hit triple zeros...ballgame.
They clinicians werent stepping in though, we were expected to handle our own biz.

Funny story - Coach (with a mohawk) gets tossed on the first day of camp, pulls the Im not leaving routine & a minute goes up.
AC says: You gotta go or we lose.
HC goes out in the hallway and abuses a large, filled trash can.
Janitor walks up to him with a broom & dustpan in one hand while pushing the mop bucket with the other hand.
Coach says: I'm sorry.
Janitor says: Oh dont be sorry, we all get squirly from tyyyme to tyyyme. Besides, I aint cleaning up this BS, here ya go, get to it. And walks off.

The entire crew got kudos & giveaways at the social.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

So much for that

Do the observers step in at the D2 camp if things get way out of hand? I know at the AAU-based camp I attend if a coach was to truly get nutty - e.g., gets booted but won't leave - the observers will step in so we can get the game going. Not that it has happened (that I can recall) but the potential is there.

I would not say they step in. They allow the campers to take care of business on the court. But what happens is that the coaches come to the clinician (and this happen with me in another camp as a clinician as well last year) and yell and scream at the clinicians about things they "think" are not being called or being addressed. Or complain when they were T'd up and complain that they were perfect human being and the big bad officials hurt their feelings.

Clinicians even in some situations have fans yelling at them. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that the campers are being evaluated. But as usually the normal public are so stupid they do not realize there is a difference between being taught how to referee and being in a camp to get hired for a very specific conference.

If it happens at the AAU camp, what do you think happens with guys with all kinds of different agendas like getting paid to want to get better?

Peace

[The_Rookie]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I would not say they step in. They allow the campers to take care of business on the court. But what happens is that the coaches come to the clinician (and this happen with me in another camp as a clinician as well last year) and yell and scream at the clinicians about things they "think" are not being called or being addressed. Or complain when they were T'd up and complain that they were perfect human being and the big bad officials hurt their feelings.

Clinicians even in some situations have fans yelling at them. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that the campers are being evaluated. But as usually the normal public are so stupid they do not realize there is a difference between being taught how to referee and being in a camp to get hired for a very specific conference.

If it happens at the AAU camp, what do you think happens with guys with all kinds of different agendas like getting paid to want to get better?

Peace

Rut..thnaks for all of your insight on this topic of AAU tourneys..it lets a young offical know that this non-sense goes on all over!