Another video request
 

It's getting too quiet around here. Let's see if we can create a block/charge talking point...

APG, Game 7, 10:19 left in the 3rd, blocking foul on Battier. Can you provide, sir?

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NBA: Blocking Foul
NFHS/NCAA: I think it's close, but I think it's a charge.

Block
 

I have a block. I don't feel Battier established/obtained LGP before Pierce went airborne. It doesn't look like he ever got two feet on the floor while he was facing Pierce.

Easy Peasy Lemon Squeezy ...
 

In my high school game, player control foul.

In real time, I was amazed it wasn't a charge. I agree it woulda been a PC in high school.

Really? I think in real time, under NBA rules, I would have been more shocked if it was called a charge...especially when we get a view from the baseline camera.

Agreed. That play looks very different from the baseline camera than it does from the other views.

Block.

Agree
 

Charge. Good defense. Anticipated the play. Beat him to the spot.

Agreed...I was thinking charge all the way from sideline view.

Once I saw the endline view, I immediately switched to block. He never made it entirely in front of him and was still sliding sideways into his path at the time of contact.

It is all about having the right angle.

One Picture Is Worth A Thousand Words ...
 

Both feet on the floor before any contact, and before Pierce became airborne:

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5342/7...214c873b_m.jpg

Cool, but given how close it is - with Battier's right foot not settling until Pierce has a toe on the floor - I can see how this was called a block.

From the 'C' I have a block, from the Lead a PC.

It wasnt clear to me until the last super-slow replay & he got it in real time.
Tough play, nice call!

I have a block real time, confirmed in super slow mo.

More importantly, I love how the L position adjusts in this play to have a better angle than we had.

This was called a block because in the NBA, a player must get to the spot before the player starts his upward motion with the ball rather than when the player becomes airborne a la NFHS/NCAA. In the clip above, Battier is still sliding to the spot after Pierce starts his upward with the ball...too late under NBA rules...while NFHS/NCAA you still have yourself a little bit more time to get legal.

+1

My motivation for requesting this video is that I had a charge, and perhaps others could see something that I didn't. I didn't see the end line view at the time.

As soon as I saw the view from the end line, I got it. Easy block. I suppose this could be an illustration of how vital angles really are.

Im leaning toward a block under all 3 codes as the defender never obtained LGP. It's not like he was sliding to the left to maintain anything. Close, but he was still trying to get there IMHO.

I have a charge in the rules I am used to. I would suspect this is also a charge in the NBA based on what I know, but I am not totally sure about that.

Peace

Defender was late
 

When I first saw it, I thought block. In super slow-mo, I still have block, and an appreciation of what a good call it was.

Thanks, APG. Just checked that out in the NBA rule book. I didn't realize there was that subtle difference. So I can feel better about calling a block :)

http://mediacentral.nba.com/media/me...-Rule-Book.pdf

Just out of curiousity, why wouldn't this be a block in your HS &/or NCAA games?

In a live/on court view it probably would be. However, the pic BillyMac posted shows Battier did obtain LGP under NFHS and NCAA codes since he had two feet on the floor and was facing Pierce before Pierce went airborne, meaning it was a PC foul under those two codes.

Okay, but its tough to see that right foot sliding to gain LGP at the point of contact in a pic.