First AAU Follies of the Off-Season

[Scrapper1]

3 boys AAU games last night, probably 17U.

First game is a blow-out. Losing team player gets fouled during a 3-point try as the horn sounds. Game over. No free throws, as they would not affect the outcome of the game. Losing coach insists the kid gets to shoot his free throws. Says to me "If this was the NBA, he'd get to shoot them". All I could do was shake my head.

As soon as both teams arrive for the second game, I put 4 minutes on the clock for warm-ups (which is specifically provided in the tournament rules). Coach says the game's not scheduled to start till 7:40 and insists we put 6 minutes on the clock for warm-ups. I tell him the rules say 4 minutes, and that's what we're going with. He insists I put up 6 minutes and says he's not putting his team out on the floor till 7:40. I ask him, "Is this really how you want to start this game, fighting over 2 minutes?" He says, "Yes!" So I said, "Well, we're starting at the end of the 4 minutes. We can start with you having 5 guys on the floor, or we can start with them shooting free throws for your T." We started 5-on-5 when at the end of the 4 minutes.

Third game is close, but very low quality play. The score was 8-6 after about 9 minutes of play. Ugh. Early in the game, as the ball is live and in play, I'm Lead watching the 2 post players. B5 bends down and tries to untie A5's shoes. I have never seen this before. I was so surprised, I blew the whistle to say, "Hey, don't do that nonsense". Then realized I probably had to call something. So I T'd him up.

That wasn't even all of the crap in those games. I was very glad to get home.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

"If this was the NBA, he'd get to shoot them". All I could do was shake my head.

I would have done more than shake my head: "Coach, it's not the NBA."

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

The ball is live and in play, I'm Lead watching the 2 post players. B5 bends down and tries to untie A5's shoes. I have never seen this before. I was so surprised, I blew the whistle to say, "Hey, don't do that nonsense". Then realized I probably had to call something. So I T'd him up.

I'm surprised that it took some thought to charge the technical foul. My only hesitation would have been deciding between a "regular" technical foul, and a flagrant technical foul. I probably would have gone with the former.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

3 boys AAU games last night, probably 17U.

First game is a blow-out. Losing team player gets fouled during a 3-point try as the horn sounds. Game over. No free throws, as they would not affect the outcome of the game. Losing coach insists the kid gets to shoot his free throws. Says to me "If this was the NBA, he'd get to shoot them". All I could do was shake my head.

As soon as both teams arrive for the second game, I put 4 minutes on the clock for warm-ups (which is specifically provided in the tournament rules). Coach says the game's not scheduled to start till 7:40 and insists we put 6 minutes on the clock for warm-ups. I tell him the rules say 4 minutes, and that's what we're going with. He insists I put up 6 minutes and says he's not putting his team out on the floor till 7:40. I ask him, "Is this really how you want to start this game, fighting over 2 minutes?" He says, "Yes!" So I said, "Well, we're starting at the end of the 4 minutes. We can start with you having 5 guys on the floor, or we can start with them shooting free throws for your T." We started 5-on-5 when at the end of the 4 minutes.

Third game is close, but very low quality play. The score was 8-6 after about 9 minutes of play. Ugh. Early in the game, as the ball is live and in play, I'm Lead watching the 2 post players. B5 bends down and tries to untie A5's shoes. I have never seen this before. I was so surprised, I blew the whistle to say, "Hey, don't do that nonsense". Then realized I probably had to call something. So I T'd him up.

That wasn't even all of the crap in those games. I was very glad to get home.

If you hadn't caught him, he'd have tied his shoes together.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I would have done more than shake my head: "Coach, it's not the NBA."

+1

You'll get rule set confusion like that from time to time. I had a sixth grade rec game a few months ago: Team A scores, goes up four. Coach B requests and is granted the time out, then asks me to advance the ball after the time out.

I explain that rule only exists in the NBA, and the coach concedes, but let me know an official in his previous game allowed that for the other team.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

If you hadn't caught him, he'd have tied his shoes together.

Better yet. How about a good old fashioned hot foot?

Wait? Sorry. I thought this was the Baseball Forum. Never mind.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Let me know an official in his previous game allowed that for the other team.

I hear about this guy all the time here in Connecticut. Now he's working up in Maine? Man. This guy really gets around.

[Scrapper1]

I forgot to include that I called 2 intentional fouls from behind during fast-breaks (one shirt-grab, one bear hug).

My partner called an intentional foul for fouling the inbounder. He was going to call it a technical, I had to correct him. During the free throws, I had this conversation with the coach who got the free throws.

Him: Is it a flagrant or a technical?
Me: It's an intentional personal, Coach.
[Long pause]
Him: So is that 2 foul shots or 4?
Me: [rolling eyes] Just 2, Coach.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Him: Is it a flagrant or a technical?
Me: It's an intentional personal, Coach.
Him: So is that 2 foul shots or 4?
Me: Just 2, Coach.

Quality of a great basketball official: Having the patience of Job.

[BktBallRef]

Sounds like we were on the same floor.

[26 Year Gap]

I swear that some coaches think all of the rules are on that tournament sheet at the table.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

I swear that some coaches think all of the rules are on that tournament sheet at the table.

Had a coach reach into his bag this summer to try to prove that they only got two TOs for the entire game rather than per half. He never brought it to me, though. Good thing for him that I was right.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

+1

You'll get rule set confusion like that from time to time. I had a sixth grade rec game a few months ago: Team A scores, goes up four. Coach B requests and is granted the time out, then asks me to advance the ball after the time out.

I explain that rule only exists in the NBA, and the coach concedes, but let me know an official in his previous game allowed that for the other team.

Ironically, the only time they seem to know there's a difference between the rule sets is when you count a basket after a foul.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Ironically, the only time they seem to know there's a difference between the rule sets is when you count a basket after a foul.

Huh??? What difference? (The only one I can think of is a charge after the release of a shot....counts if it does in NCAA, doesn't count in NFHS).

[tref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Ironically, the only time they seem to know there's a difference between the rule sets is when you count a basket after a foul.

Official: Score the basket, 1 FT.
coach: This isnt the NBA!

2 plays later following a timeout in the 1st half

coach: Dont we get it at halfcourt.
Official: Only in 4thQ under 2 min & its the 28' line... in the NBA!
coach: Well, when do we get to advance in HS?
Official:

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Huh??? What difference? (The only one I can think of is a charge after the release of a shot....counts if it does in NCAA, doesn't count in NFHS).

That's why I said "ironically," because they pick the one rule where it's the same and claim "we're not in the NBA." Then, they want traveling called when the shooter catches his airball, they want the ball advanced after a TO, or they want some other NBA rule to be applied.