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APG Mon May 14, 2012 08:33pm

Philadelphia 76ers v. Boston Celtics: KG Illegal Screen
 
End of game situation with about 10 seconds...Michael Smith, at the slot, calls an illegal screen on Kevin Garnett. Guess he didn't get the memo that stars aren't suppose to have calls go against them at the end of games. ;)

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Clip added

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fortmoney Mon May 14, 2012 08:43pm

Kenny "that's not a foul, because when he set the screen, his feet were set."

Absolutely idiotic

JRutledge Mon May 14, 2012 10:46pm

Does this need blue font?
 
Yep the NBA is decided by Stern before the games are played. ;)

Peace

BktBallRef Mon May 14, 2012 10:46pm

Illegal screen and holding, both in the same play.

JRutledge Mon May 14, 2012 11:45pm

I guess the officials did not allow the players to decide the game. :D

Peace

just another ref Mon May 14, 2012 11:47pm

"It's like rolling through a stop sign. You don't usually get a ticket for that."

Kenny Smith

"Credit that call to coach Collins, who has been working the refs......"

Chris Webber

"Kevin was not the only one moving in picks, but he was the only one that got called......"

Doc Rivers

"I thought in that situation you let the players decide the game."

Kevin Garnett


:rolleyes:

amusedofficial Tue May 15, 2012 03:20am

Was there a local broadcast?
 
I can't imagine how Heinsohn sounded on that one. I can't imagine working in New England when they learn the rules from that clown.

JugglingReferee Tue May 15, 2012 05:24am

I love the high overhead look.

grunewar Tue May 15, 2012 05:50am

Agree!
 
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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 841900)
I love the high overhead look.

Official was right there with eyes on target. Good call.

Had a mom (coaches too) tell me last night.....she had a "bad call" in her game last week with 5 secs left where the REF decided the game on a foul. She advocated swallowing the whistle. I walked away..... :rolleyes:

BillyMac Tue May 15, 2012 06:08am

Heaven Is A Place On Earth (Belinda Carlisle) ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 841900)
I love the high overhead look.

Agree. Interestng view. Maybe someday they'll add a fourth official: lead, trail, center, and overhead.

Welpe Tue May 15, 2012 06:31am

"And this is what you mean working the refs, he didn't really...eh...uh...."

Love it. Please try and find a way that is not a foul. It'd be a great block on the gridiron.

JugglingReferee Tue May 15, 2012 07:51am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 841907)
Agree. Interestng view. Maybe someday they'll add a fourth official: lead, trail, center, and overhead.

First they need 4 on-court officials: a lead on each baseline that lets all plays come to them.

Bad Zebra Tue May 15, 2012 08:11am

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 841869)
Illegal screen and holding, both in the same play.

It looked more like Rob Gronkowski chipping a defensive end on his way to Tom Brady...wait...wrong venue.

I'm a Celts fan, but come on KG...you might get away with that somewhere on the court OTHER THAN RIGHT IN FRONT OF AN OFFICIAL. As a wise veteran, you'd think he'd know how to camoflage that move a little better.

rockyroad Tue May 15, 2012 09:53am

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 841908)
Please try and find a way that is not a foul.

Wellllllll...according to Colin Cowherd, officials should ref situations, and not be so black and white about things all the time. After all, the world is 94% gray, and this is a call that should not be made in that situation. You never see pass interference called on a hail mary play at the end of a football game, so come on, this should not be called in this situation with a star like KG...

Oops. Sorry - forgot the blue font on the above paragraph. I almost had to pull off the road to puke as I was listening to him. Couldn't get the radio station changed fast enough...

bainsey Tue May 15, 2012 10:15am

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Originally Posted by amusedofficial (Post 841897)
I can't imagine how Heinsohn sounded on that one. I can't imagine working in New England when they learn the rules from that clown.

Trust me, we don't. Case in point...

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There's plenty more where that came from, too.

Bad Zebra Tue May 15, 2012 10:30am

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 841936)
Wellllllll...according to Colin Cowherd, officials should ref situations, and not be so black and white about things all the time...

Sheer IDIOCY. I literally won't turn on ESPN radio until 1 pm because of that guy...and his stupidity isn't limited to officiating.

ballgame99 Tue May 15, 2012 10:40am

I heard Mke and Mike talking about this on the way to work, and couldn't wait to take a look at the play. They, of course, made it sound like a weak call. While I would agree with the "let it slide" theory if it is a borderline call, you HAVE to call THAT foul. He may have even gotten away with a little body lean, but when he extended the arms to hold the guy, forgetaboutit.

JetMetFan Tue May 15, 2012 10:54am

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 841880)
"Kevin was not the only one moving in picks, but he was the only one that got called......"

Doc Rivers

I didn't see the game - I was watching Rangers/Devils - but I have no problem with the call. However...can someone who did watch the game tell me whether there were similar plays that weren't called? Not that it would change whether this was a foul but it would bring up a question regarding consistency.

ref3808 Tue May 15, 2012 12:24pm

Definitely an illegal screen, and I look forward to NBE officials consistently calling this and other fouls in other games. Too much to ask for?

My impression was that there were more offensive fouls called in this game relative to other NBE contests.

JRutledge Tue May 15, 2012 12:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ref3808 (Post 841968)
Definitely an illegal screen, and I look forward to NBE officials consistently calling this and other fouls in other games. Too much to ask for?

My impression was that there were more offensive fouls called in this game relative to other NBE contests.

You do not watch too many NBA games do you? And when I mean watch, I do not mean peak in and watch a couple of minutes and then turn to something else. I mean sitting down and watching an entire quarter, half or game several times over.

Peace

Adam Tue May 15, 2012 03:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra (Post 841944)
Sheer IDIOCY. I literally won't turn on ESPN radio until 1 pm because of that guy...and his stupidity isn't limited to officiating.

Agreed, I can't stand Cowherd.

7IronRef Tue May 15, 2012 04:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 841903)
Official was right there with eyes on target. Good call.

Had a mom (coaches too) tell me last night.....she had a "bad call" in her game last week with 5 secs left where the REF decided the game on a foul. She advocated swallowing the whistle. I walked away..... :rolleyes:

Funny story, a few years ago, early 4th qtr of a close game. One of the coaches comes up to me during a TO, and says "let the players decide this one, right guys?" Last possession with his team down 1 and we have a no-call on a shot with about 4 or 5 seconds left. He was yelling that we decided the game.

I guess it just depends on your perspective ;)

JRutledge Tue May 15, 2012 05:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra (Post 841944)
Sheer IDIOCY. I literally won't turn on ESPN radio until 1 pm because of that guy...and his stupidity isn't limited to officiating.

I just heard Tim Cowlishaw on "Around the Horn" say that "Normally officials do not want to make that call." OK, do these guys ever have any real conversation with people that actually officiate? So it is not just Cowheard or any particular media person. It is clear they are are dumber than a box of rocks when it comes to anything officiating. All they would have to do really is read this board and they would see many people that actually officiate that feel this should have been called.

Peace

ILRef80 Tue May 15, 2012 10:12pm

It's extremely frustrating that this call is getting any attention. It was absolutely the correct call. Plain as day. That wasn't even close to a screen. It freed up Pierce, so clearly there was a huge advantage. And it was right in front of Smith. Easy call.

JRutledge Tue May 15, 2012 10:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILRef80 (Post 842041)
It's extremely frustrating that this call is getting any attention. It was absolutely the correct call. Plain as day. That wasn't even close to a screen. It freed up Pierce, so clearly there was a huge advantage. And it was right in front of Smith. Easy call.

You know any call near the end of the game or no call at the end of the game in the playoffs is a source of constant conversation. If they did not call this then the story would be on a different angle.

Peace

BktBallRef Tue May 15, 2012 10:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra (Post 841944)
Sheer IDIOCY. I literally won't turn on ESPN radio until 1 pm because of that guy...and his stupidity isn't limited to officiating.

No, but it is certainly expounded a great deal more when he discusses officiating!

BktBallRef Tue May 15, 2012 10:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra (Post 841925)
It looked more like Rob Gronkowski chipping a defensive end on his way to Tom Brady...wait...wrong venue.

Actually, you're correct. KG looked like a pulling guard on the play.

ILRef80 Tue May 15, 2012 10:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 842042)
You know any call near the end of the game or no call at the end of the game in the playoffs is a source of constant conversation. If they did not call this then the story would be on a different angle.

Peace

Oh, I agree. But, it would be nice if one of the talking heads would acknowledge that. It was a 'damned if you do damned if you don't' situation. Smith made the right call.

bainsey Wed May 16, 2012 12:06am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 842042)
You know any call near the end of the game or no call at the end of the game in the playoffs is a source of constant conversation.

There it is.

So, what's the general motivation behind this grumbling? (Besides "ignorance." That's too easy.) Is it "officials shouldn't determine the outcome of the game," or "a foul in the last minute is different than the rest of the game", or "these guys think they're the show," or something else?

Bad Zebra Wed May 16, 2012 11:03am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 842061)
There it is.

So, what's the general motivation behind this grumbling? (Besides "ignorance." That's too easy.) Is it "officials shouldn't determine the outcome of the game," or "a foul in the last minute is different than the rest of the game", or "these guys think they're the show," or something else?

I believe it goes beyond sports and/or officiating. It is the prevailing "victim" mentality in our country. A loss, foul, no-call at the end of any event HAS TO BE somebody else's fault. This mindset has been growing over the last ten years to it's present level...and sadly I don't see it diminishing any time soon.

Personal accountability...in sports (or life) is almost a thing of the past.

Going back to the original clip...can you imagine what would happen if KG or Doc said "They got it right. I was trying to get Pierce free and had to set that screen. It was overly agressive, but I had to make it work. Unfortunately it was in front of an official and he got me on it. Sometimes I can slip one by...sometimes not." Instead...it's the official's fault. KG is the victim, Doc Rivers is the victim...the Celtics are the victim. They got shafted.

onetime1 Wed May 16, 2012 11:18am

[QUOTE=AllPurposeGamer;841848]End of game situation with about 10 seconds...Michael Smith, at the slot, calls an illegal screen on Kevin Garnett. Guess he didn't get the memo that stars aren't suppose to have calls go against them at the end of games. ;)

*Is Garnett still considered a "star"?


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