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rockyroad Wed May 09, 2012 11:55pm
Thanks APG! Not quite the same kind of play, but I am interested to see if all those who are saying the first one by James "has to be a foul" will the say the same about this one...after all, McGee's follow through makes some contact with Gasol.

Plus, I really liked the play whan it happened and they didn't show any replays of it last night!:D

Camron Rust Thu May 10, 2012 12:58am
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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 841065)
Thanks APG! Not quite the same kind of play, but I am interested to see if all those who are saying the first one by James "has to be a foul" will the say the same about this one...after all, McGee's follow through makes some contact with Gasol.

Plus, I really liked the play whan it happened and they didn't show any replays of it last night!:D
I say no foul on this one.

(And on the James one, I never said it I had to be a foul or even should have been a foul, just that it was justifiable within the rules.)

BillyMac Thu May 10, 2012 06:09am
Incidental Contact ...
 
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 841069)
I say no foul on this one.
If this play had happened in my high school game, I would not have a foul.

BillyMac Thu May 10, 2012 06:18am
Legal Contact ...
 
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 840948)
On one play a kid split two defenders and lost his balance and threw up some crap to attempt a shot. I saw the entire thing and the defenders literally did not touch him, but he fell down on his face basically and the coach complained and ask me how that was not a foul? I answered by saying, "The the defenders did nothing wrong or illegal, he just fell." The coach basically said, "He cannot fall over air?"
Even if there was contact, it might not have been illegal contact. There's a difference between tripping, and being tripped. One is legal. The other isn't.

JRutledge Thu May 10, 2012 09:55am
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 841087)
Even if there was contact, it might not have been illegal contact. There's a difference between tripping, and being tripped. One is legal. The other isn't.
Very true. And in this particular play, he was not even falling because of contact, he just fell. Other times there was some contact and I believe the young man felt there was going to be some contact, but the defenders backed off. As a result the player fell on his own.

Peace

ballgame99 Thu May 10, 2012 01:22pm
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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 841065)
Thanks APG! Not quite the same kind of play, but I am interested to see if all those who are saying the first one by James "has to be a foul" will the say the same about this one...after all, McGee's follow through makes some contact with Gasol.

Plus, I really liked the play whan it happened and they didn't show any replays of it last night!:D

No way, this one is clean. The defender goes vertical in his space, contact is created primarily by the offense.

rockyroad Thu May 10, 2012 01:33pm
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Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 841162)
contact is created primarily by the offense.
Oh, I see...Gasol slammed the side of his face into McGee's arm on the follow-through. That makes sense.:p

ballgame99 Fri May 11, 2012 09:12am
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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 841164)
Oh, I see...Gasol slammed the side of his face into McGee's arm on the follow-through. That makes sense.:p
I don't see much head contact on the play. I just see Gasol trying to dunk on someone and not being successful at it.

Raymond Fri May 11, 2012 09:27am
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Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 841311)
I don't see much head contact on the play. I just see Gasol trying to dunk on someone and not being successful at it.
Gasol was hit in the head by McGee on the follow through, not sure how you don't see it.

onetime1 Fri May 11, 2012 12:47pm
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 840277)
The first block no contact but a fadeaway shot. From then on all block shots look to have some form of contact


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