False Double Foul?

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by tref

What if Toren assessed the T on the defender just before the shooter began his habitual shooting motion on a 3?

That would be a different play from the one we're discussing.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Welpe

That would be a different play from the one we're discussing.

Most definitely, I think you're missing my point though.

If Toren has eyes & ears on knucklehead in a 2 person system, he probably has no idea of when the shooter gathered the ball. If the other official looks at Toren once he blew his whistle, he probably has no idea of the gather. Now the shot goes in & the crew is

Also, what if he assessed the T while an outlet pass was made for a dunk?

I respect your stance, but I'm going to practice holding my whistle on defensive Ts when there is a chance for the offense to score.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by tref

Most definitely, I think you're missing my point though.

No, I understand fully what you're saying, you're just talking about other scenarios that I was not addressing.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Welpe

No, I understand fully what you're saying, you're just talking about other scenarios that I was not addressing.

Actually I'm talking about 10.4.1 Situation E. It clearly spells out when to assess the T for the defense as well as the offense when a scoring opportunity is imminent.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Made that mistake twice. Once killing a fast break in a BV game. The other time in camp when a shot was going up and my P's were no help in providing information in regards to my whistle and the shot. We ended up wiping off a basket that should have counted.

Must've happened when you first got into the craft!

Just like a 3 second call, we better know where the ball is when calling a T on the defense while the ball is live.
I've had a few experiences with calling 3 seconds & the ball is going the other way.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tref

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Must've happened when you first got into the craft!
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Wish I could take that out

They were both a few years ago, and I've conditioned myself now, but I was experienced enough back then, just let my emotions take over and reacted without thought.

[tref]

If it makes you feel any better, one of my 3 second calls on the NEW defensive team (quick steal up top) happened last year

"My badd coach" is all I could say
Stuff happens, we either learn from it & improve or we dont.
I'm still trying to master responding to acts vs reacting to them.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tref

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I respect your stance, but I'm going to practice holding my whistle on defensive Ts when there is a chance for the offense to score.

Made that mistake twice. Once killing a fast break in a BV game. The other time in camp when a shot was going up and my P's were no help in providing information in regards to my whistle and the shot. We ended up wiping off a basket that should have counted.