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PSidbury Tue May 01, 2012 11:10am

If this happened in a high school game...?
 
In last night's playoff game, Bibby rebounds and in process loses his shoe. While shoe-less, Bibby outlets and the Knicks score on a fast break. Meanwhile, Wade picks up the opponent's shoe and tosses it off the court.
Dwyane Wade Throws Mike Bibby's Shoe Into First Row! - YouTube

For sh-- and giggles, let's pretend you are the closest ref and see it all.
What would be your action, if any, if this were to happen in a high school game?
What if Bibby's outlet pass had been intercepted, and now Bibby, on defense, is quickly leaning over to... uh, where's my shoe?

But, Ref, I saw them do it in an NBA game... (ack!)

Thanks,
Paul

JRutledge Tue May 01, 2012 11:17am

I would not care. Tie your shoe better and you will not have to worry about this at all.

Peace

tref Tue May 01, 2012 11:29am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 839727)
I would not care. Tie your shoe better and you will not have to worry about this at all.

Peace

Agreed, Wade just assisted in keeping the playing court safe :D

Raymond Tue May 01, 2012 01:30pm

The better question is what to do if the shoe is laying (lying?) in the middle of the opponent's key.

Camron Rust Tue May 01, 2012 01:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 839749)
The better question is what to do if the shoe is laying (lying?) in the middle of the opponent's key.

There are usually 6-8 shoes in the opponents key. :p

Raymond Tue May 01, 2012 01:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 839750)
There are usually 6-8 shoes in the opponents key. :p

Shut up!!! :D

At some point if no one moves the shoe we have to consider stopping action for safety reasons.

rockyroad Tue May 01, 2012 03:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 839751)
Shut up!!! :D

At some point if no one moves the shoe we have to consider stopping action for safety reasons.

I would probably stop play as soon as an opportunity presented itself so that the player could retrieve his/her shoe and put it back on.

cmckenna Tue May 01, 2012 03:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 839749)
The better question is what to do if the shoe is laying (lying?) in the middle of the opponent's key.

Call an illegal defense violation for not getting both feet out of the lane :D

APG Tue May 01, 2012 05:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmckenna (Post 839774)
Call an illegal defense violation for not getting both feet out of the lane :D

Unless the shoe is within arm's length of a defender and actively guarding an opponent. ;)

BillyMac Tue May 01, 2012 05:59pm

Advantage/Disadvantage ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 839751)
At some point if no one moves the shoe we have to consider stopping action for safety reasons.

That point would be, wait for it, after three seconds.

BillyMac Tue May 01, 2012 06:01pm

Was Muntadhar Al-Zaidi Playing ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 839749)
The better question is what to do if the shoe is laying (lying?) in the middle of the opponent's key.

What if the shoe has legal guarding position, but it was in the restricted area, and someone trips over it?

Camron Rust Tue May 01, 2012 06:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 839797)
What if the shoe has legal guarding position, but it was in the restricted area, and someone trips over it?

Did it give 2 steps?

PSidbury Tue May 01, 2012 09:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 839727)
I would not care. Tie your shoe better and you will not have to worry about this at all.

Okay, new scenario(s):

1) He tosses it and it hits you in the groin as you are leaving your former lead position, causing you to double-over (and for sake of arguyment, just play along that you bent over, as in the shoe caught you just right); or,

2) He throws it over-hand off the court, as in NOT within the spirit of keeping the playing court safe. (Sure, coach, I have to give the player the benefit of the doubt that he was keeping the court safe... snore.)

Interested to see what referees would do within the context of a high school game.
Debating whether the shoe had legal guarding position? Sure, it's a no brainer as partners we would gather at mid court and discuss... again, snore... :p

Namaste,
Paul

bainsey Wed May 02, 2012 07:51am

Quote:

Originally Posted by PSidbury (Post 839823)
He throws it over-hand off the court, as in NOT within the spirit of keeping the playing court safe.

You have a T-worthy offense here. This comes down to intent.


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