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JugglingReferee Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:39pm

NBA Official Keeps Spare Whistle in Pocket!
 
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Adam Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:47pm

As long as he's not switching it from one pocket to the other every time there's a change in the arrow.

JugglingReferee Thu Apr 19, 2012 01:02pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 838074)
As long as he's not switching it from one pocket to the other every time there's a change in the arrow.

What if he switches whistles every arrow, and alternates which pocket keeps the spare? :p

Welpe Thu Apr 19, 2012 02:06pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 838074)
As long as he's not switching it from one pocket to the other every time there's a change in the arrow.

I still don't understand the antipathy towards this practice.

BillyMac Thu Apr 19, 2012 02:24pm

I'd Rather Fight And Switch ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 838074)
As long as he's not switching it from one pocket to the other every time there's a change in the arrow.

Hey? You talkin' to me? You gotta a problem with that? And what's wrong with wearing a black belt? And we point to the floor when a shooter is stepping on the three point line. You gotta a problem with that, too?

fiasco Thu Apr 19, 2012 02:41pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 838091)
I still don't understand the antipathy towards this practice.

Some people just have a constant desire to criticize other people for things that have zero effect on anything that really makes a difference.

rockyroad Thu Apr 19, 2012 03:28pm

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Originally Posted by fiasco (Post 838094)
Some people just have a constant desire to criticize other people for things that have zero effect on anything that really makes a difference.

And other people just have a constant desire to criticize those people for doing that.

Pot, meet kettle.

letemplay Thu Apr 19, 2012 04:01pm

Swallowing the whistle?
 
One vote for the lanyard.

Adam Thu Apr 19, 2012 04:13pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 838091)
I still don't understand the antipathy towards this practice.

The same as the antipathy for those who go without a lanyard, I suppose. Honestly, I think the whole thing is funny. I won't use the pocket trick, but I see a few JV officials in my area who do. Since I haven't inquired, I don't know if it's a bad thing or not here.

I would add facial hair to this category; things that don't really matter but can affect the image you present. Some areas don't care. Other areas, once you've established yourself it won't matter.

Adam Thu Apr 19, 2012 04:15pm

Well, if nothing else, he's proven he doesn't ball watch from C.

SNIPERBBB Thu Apr 19, 2012 09:50pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 838108)
The same as the antipathy for those who go without a lanyard, I suppose. Honestly, I think the whole thing is funny. I won't use the pocket trick, but I see a few JV officials in my area who do. Since I haven't inquired, I don't know if it's a bad thing or not here.

I would add facial hair to this category; things that don't really matter but can affect the image you present. Some areas don't care. Other areas, once you've established yourself it won't matter.

The alternating pocket trick comes into effect during Rec league season here. For HS games, its not needed as usually the table knows what they are doing or learn quickly after being corrected.

stiffler3492 Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:40pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 838109)
Well, if nothing else, he's proven he doesn't ball watch from C.

I would hope he proved that a long time ago to get to where he is.

As for the facial hair, I always officiate clean shaven, but that's because I don't grow a good beard. I worked with a guy this past season who always has a beard, and he keeps it very neat. I know for a fact that he's well established in the community, so it may not matter for him. As others have alluded to, his officiating speaks for itself.

letemplay Fri Apr 20, 2012 07:51am

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Originally Posted by stiffler3492 (Post 838130)
I would hope he proved that a long time ago to get to where he is.

As for the facial hair, I always officiate clean shaven, but that's because I don't grow a good beard. I worked with a guy this past season who always has a beard, and he keeps it very neat. I know for a fact that he's well established in the community, so it may not matter for him. As others have alluded to, his officiating speaks for itself.

A guy around here has the affectionate nickname of "Mr T", both for his bearded appearance... and his whack-a-thons:D

Adam Fri Apr 20, 2012 09:31am

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Originally Posted by stiffler3492 (Post 838130)
I would hope he proved that a long time ago to get to where he is.

As for the facial hair, I always officiate clean shaven, but that's because I don't grow a good beard. I worked with a guy this past season who always has a beard, and he keeps it very neat. I know for a fact that he's well established in the community, so it may not matter for him. As others have alluded to, his officiating speaks for itself.

Actually, around here, it would help if it's kept well trimmed rather than just looking like you forgot to shave.

Welpe Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:41am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 838166)
Actually, around here, it would help if it's kept well trimmed rather than just looking like you forgot to shave.

Well you do live in the mountains...

twocentsworth Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:29am

if you go no lanyard...you better have a spare in your pocket!

BillyMac Fri Apr 20, 2012 01:08pm

Models, Baseball Players, Movie Stars ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 838166)
looking like you forgot to shave.

I hate that look. But it's very popular among young men today.

JRutledge Fri Apr 20, 2012 01:43pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 838091)
I still don't understand the antipathy towards this practice.

Because it is used as a crux for many officials to assume what the arrow direction should be pointed. And I have seen personally many officials that use this trick forget to move the whistle at all or at the right time. But they cannot make sure the arrow is being switched properly or remember when the last time we actually switched the arrow and why. If I had not seen it used in epic failure so many times, I probably would not be as adamant about the practice being silly. We are not football officials, there are not multiple things in our pocket as a normal practice to do our job. If I did not have to replace a whistle or lanyard, I would not even go into my pocket for anything during the course of a game. An AP situation can theoretically happen 10 times in a game and then you have a guy digging in their pocket and constantly have to adjust themselves and their pants just to fix their pocket properly.

Peace

dahoopref Fri Apr 20, 2012 02:15pm

It's in the CCA Manual.....
 
CCAA Men's Basketball Officiating Manual (Mens)

Page 35, Section 4 Article 4.

Equipment And Uniform:

A. Never go into a game without a spare whistle in your pocket. Leave your rulebook in the dressing room. A black whsitle shall be worn on a black lanyard.


I hope this ends the discussion. :D

Welpe Fri Apr 20, 2012 02:31pm

Thanks for your response Jeff, that makes sense.

tref Fri Apr 20, 2012 02:42pm

Missed it by, that much
 
Probably wouldn't have hurt as much if Nick caught the whistle.

APG Fri Apr 20, 2012 02:50pm

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Originally Posted by tref (Post 838222)
Probably wouldn't have hurt as much if Nick caught the whistle.

At least he (Nick Buchert) had a reason to drop it. Zach Zarba dropped his last year in a playoff game...and he even managed to somehow make that look smooth. First time I had ever seen someone in the NBA or D-League drop one...till a friend of mine did it a week later in a tournament...after swearing he'd never do it. :D

tref Fri Apr 20, 2012 03:09pm

Forgot my lanyard at home last week for a 3 game mens set & only dropped it once. Thought that was alright for someone who doesn't practice it :D

fiasco Sun Apr 22, 2012 07:44pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 838098)
And other people just have a constant desire to criticize those people for doing that.

Pot, meet kettle.

And other people just have a constant desire to criticize people who criticize people who criticize.

This is a fun game.

grunewar Sun Apr 22, 2012 08:05pm

How do you do that?
 
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Originally Posted by tref (Post 838226)
Forgot my lanyard at home last week for a 3 game mens set & only dropped it once. Thought that was alright for someone who doesn't practice it :D

Don't you have a HUGE bag with all your STUFF in it, plus extra STUFF!? :p

bainsey Sun Apr 22, 2012 09:16pm

Getting back to the video, I'm not entirely sure the official was out of bounds (hard to tell with the score graphic in the way), so I probably would have had no whistle. Or is the NBA rule different?

Speaking of the NBA, ain't no arrow there anyway, so the whole whistle-in-the-pocket is moot.

APG Sun Apr 22, 2012 09:31pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 838417)
Getting back to the video, I'm not entirely sure the official was out of bounds (hard to tell with the score graphic in the way), so I probably would have had no whistle. Or is the NBA rule different?

Speaking of the NBA, ain't no arrow there anyway, so the whole whistle-in-the-pocket is moot.

The rule is the same.

JugglingReferee Mon Apr 23, 2012 06:12am

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 838417)
Getting back to the video, I'm not entirely sure the official was out of bounds (hard to tell with the score graphic in the way), so I probably would have had no whistle. Or is the NBA rule different?

Speaking of the NBA, ain't no arrow there anyway, so the whole whistle-in-the-pocket is moot.

He might use it to keep track of which team is to receive the throw-in to begin subsequent quarters. :D

Adam Mon Apr 23, 2012 08:36am

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 838417)
Speaking of the NBA, ain't no arrow there anyway, so the whole whistle-in-the-pocket is moot.

I just assumed he was out of bounds, since he blew the whistle and the video doesn't show that he wasn't OOB.

I don't watch a lot of NBA, sorry. I wasn't aware that they used a jump ball to start each quarter.

tref Mon Apr 23, 2012 08:42am

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Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 838405)
Don't you have a HUGE bag with all your STUFF in it, plus extra STUFF!? :p

Yeah & I dont use that bag for wreck stuff. I usually add extras to my wreck bag after payola -errr- camp season.

APG Mon Apr 23, 2012 09:10am

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 838456)
He might use it to keep track of which team is to receive the throw-in to begin subsequent quarters. :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 838472)

I don't watch a lot of NBA, sorry. I wasn't aware that they used a jump ball to start each quarter.

In the NBA, the winner of the jump ball gets the ball first for the 1st quarter (duh as they won the jump ball) and 4th quarter. The loser gets the ball first for the 2nd and 3rd quarters. Play is resumed by an unrestricted throw-in on the baseline (yeah I said it).

There would be no need for him to use a whistle to keep track on anything because if for some reason, he and his partners forgot who won the jump, they could just go look at the play-by-play at the table (which is kept for every game) and find out that way.

onetime1 Mon Apr 23, 2012 09:45am

Wow I think it is pretty good for him to remember that he has a whistle in his pocket and can think that fast for him to grab it out and use it since he lost his other one.

BillyMac Mon Apr 23, 2012 05:13pm

Happy To See Me ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by onetime1 (Post 838488)
Wow I think it is pretty good for him to remember that he has a whistle in his pocket and can think that fast for him to grab it out and use it since he lost his other one.

Insert obligatory Mae West quote here. With bob jenkins out on sabbatical, it's no longer a challenge to post an image, or video, and to try to get it past him. Just use your imagination.


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