A1 has ball on sideline for throw-in, steps ON the line. Violation??

A1 has ball on sideline for throw-in, steps OVER line. Any difference?

Thanks all

Coach, if a player has the ball inbounds and steps ON the line, is it OOB? Okay, then it's still OOB to step ON the line. Inbounder is okay.

If inbounder is OVER the line, onto the floor, then he or she is inbounds and has committed a violation.

The trick is to remember that the line itself is always out-of-bounds.

If by "over" the line you mean the inbounder touches the floor inbounds before releasing the ball, then it is a violation. If by "over" the line you mean the inbounder has his foot in the air over the inbound area when he releases the ball, then there is no violation if he releases the ball before touching the floor inbounds.

The actual "line" is the inside edge of the OOB border that meets the outer edge of the playing court. This is the OOB line, not the 2" or greater stripe that makes up the OOB portion. If the thrower simply steps on the stripe, he is still OOB. But if he steps on the inner edge of the stripe and inbounds, he has violated.

The simple answer is that if he touches inbounds while he still has contact with the ball, he has violated.

Answer me this OOB play
 

Thanks for the responses. Of course, my second scenario, OVER the line, refers to stepping onto the playing court.
Could you plz cite rule for this sitch????

Re: Answer me this OOB play
 

Rule 4-9. :D

Re: Answer me this OOB play
 

NFHS rule 9-2-5--throw-in violations--"the thrower shall not carry the ball onto the court".

I once witnessed a junior official call a violation because the inbounder stepped on the line. After the game he was complaining that the coach was really ticked off about that call. So I "politely" told him the coach was right. So then he says "they can't step on the line when they throw it in". I said "OK what if the line is 20 feet wide and goes all the way to the wall." So then he replies well then in those cases you make an exception!

Alrighty then!

7.6.3 Sit B part (b) During an attempted throw-in, A1 steps through the plane (makes contact with the floor inbounds) before passing the ball to A2. Ruling: a throw-in violation
AND
9.2.5 Thrower A1 inadvertantly steps through the plane of the boundary line and touches the court inbounds. A1 immediately steps back into normal out-of-bounds throw-in position. The contact with the court was during a situation: (a) with; or (b) without defensive pressure on the throw-in team. Ruling: A violation in both (a) and (b).
Comment: Whether or not there was defensive pressure or whether or not stepping on the court was inadvertant, it is a violation and no judgment is required in making the call.

[Edited by Nevadaref on Jun 26th, 2003 at 02:32 AM]

I understand the rule as you've referenced, but in practice it appears to me that oftentimes the violation is whistled after the inbound pass is made rather than at the moment the inbounder's foot touches the boundary. Just an observation...

For the record
 

That comment was not mine. It is a direct quote from the NFHS rulebook.

I am not going to dig out my rules books for the year of the change, but it use to be if the out-of-bounds line was only two inches wide it was a throw-in violation to step on the out-of-bounds line. If the OOB line was wider that 2" and the thrower stepped on the line it was not a violation.

Mark,please do look that one up.I have never heard of a rule like that ever being used-NFHS or NCAA.:confused: To the best of my recollection,the OOB line was always regarded as being OOB,no matter the width.

I'm glad they changed that. That's a stupid distinction. :confused:

Pack a ruler in your bag!

I have one, but it's just for lacrosse!

No need - per the supplement to the court diagram, if a "belt" is used instead of a "line," it should be at least 8" wide.

Is that a ruler in your bag, or just a lacrosse stick?

If you are serious, this is the best example yet of how inane the rules committee can be!

Free Throw Line
 

BktBallRef - Does that logic/rule also apply to the free throw line?

Re: Free Throw Line
 

Coach,I'll grab this one for Tony.

Nope,the same logic doesn't apply.The free throw shooter has to make the attempt from behind the free throw line.They can't step on the line or vertically break the plane of the closet edge of the free throw line to them.In high school rules,which you probably use,these restrictions end when the ball touches the ring or backboard,or the try ends.

Re: Re: Free Throw Line
 

Additionally, unlike the inbounder, the FT shooter can't back up as far as s/he wants. . .

Re: Free Throw Line
 

In a way it does, but probably not how the way you are asking if it does! The external edge of the FT line and all other lines around the lane define the external edge of the lane. If you touch the edge of the line, you are in the lane. With three seconds, FT line, and FT lane violations, think of the lane AND it's boundary lines as another restricted area.

What's more inane is that the OOB lines simply need to be a minimum of 2" wide.

Of course, the 2"/8" rule is just part of the "supplement to the court diagram," not the rules.

Coach, I have heard that a quick way of thinking about this is: If you step on the OOB lines you are out, if you step on the lines inside the court you are in that area.

For example, stepping on the lane lines puts you in the lane, and stepping on the division line puts you in the backcourt.