Call on the court = Block. Your opinion?

[drofficial]

What is really baffling to me is why we are even discussing this play. By rule,. it is totally and clearly 100% a charge. Offensive player does not get head and shoulders by defender. She goes straight thru the torso. This is an amazingly easy call. There is NOTHING in the rule about "being set," "not moving," etc. And there is certainly no time or distance involved. Defender beats her to the spot and offensive player runs her over. Charge every time.

We officials really screw up the game when we call plays like this a block.

[tref]

Originally Posted by drofficial

What is really baffling to me is why we are even discussing this play. By rule,. it is totally and clearly 100% a charge. Offensive player does not get head and shoulders by defender. She goes straight thru the torso. This is an amazingly easy call. There is NOTHING in the rule about "being set," "not moving," etc. And there is certainly no time or distance involved. Defender beats her to the spot and offensive player runs her over. Charge every time.

We officials really screw up the game when we call plays like this a block.

I thought the offense had to get head & shoulders by the primary defender
Pretty tough to get by someone whos not there to get by .

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by drofficial

What is really baffling to me is why we are even discussing this play. By rule,. it is totally and clearly 100% a charge. Offensive player does not get head and shoulders by defender. She goes straight thru the torso. This is an amazingly easy call. There is NOTHING in the rule about "being set," "not moving," etc. And there is certainly no time or distance involved. Defender beats her to the spot and offensive player runs her over. Charge every time.

We officials really screw up the game when we call plays like this a block.

The offensive and defensive players are coming from 2 totally different angles and then there is contact at point A. So I'm seeing the defensive player impeding on the offensive player's path to the basket without first maintaining LGP. Therefore I have a block.

Has nothing to do with 'not being set' or 'not moving'. It's all about not having LGP prior to the contact, IMHO.

[tref]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

The offensive and defensive players are coming from 2 totally different angles and then there is contact at point A. So I'm seeing the defensive player impeding on the offensive player's path to the basket without first maintaining LGP. Therefore I have a block.

Has nothing to do with 'not being set' or 'not moving'. It's all about not having LGP prior to the contact, IMHO.

Thats how I see this play as well, she cant maintain what she never obtained... by rule.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

The offensive and defensive players are coming from 2 totally different angles and then there is contact at point A. So I'm seeing the defensive player impeding on the offensive player's path to the basket without first maintaining LGP. Therefore I have a block.

Has nothing to do with 'not being set' or 'not moving'. It's all about not having LGP prior to the contact, IMHO.

I've been fascinated to read all the different opinions of this play, even in slow motion. I have a defender, with established LGP, moving backwards and to her right (obliquely, not towards the shooter), and getting hit in the chest by the dribbler. To me, it's a pretty solid PC foul, but the disagreement is still fascinating to me.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I've been fascinated to read all the different opinions of this play, even in slow motion. I have a defender, with established LGP, moving backwards and to her right (obliquely, not towards the shooter), and getting hit in the chest by the dribbler. To me, it's a pretty solid PC foul, but the disagreement is still fascinating to me.

I'm willing to give it another look. At what time is LGP obtained?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

I'm willing to give it another look. At what time is LGP obtained?

I initially had her with LGP from the start, but with a more narrow view of "in the path," I can see why you'd say she didn't have it that long. Either way, I have her, at the latest, getting LGP right before contact in her chest.

And I still say the extended trail leg is irrelevant unless it's the point of contact.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I initially had her with LGP from the start, but with a more narrow view of "in the path," I can see why you'd say she didn't have it that long. Either way, I have her, at the latest, getting LGP right before contact in her chest.

And I still say the extended trail leg is irrelevant unless it's the point of contact.

Oh okay, no need for me to go back if you have initial LGP just prior to contact. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to the offense here.

You consider the extended leg to be the trail, I have the forward leg being the extended leg since that is the direction she is attempting to go.

No biggie, tough play, tough call!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

Oh okay, no need for me to go back if you have initial LGP just prior to contact. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to the offense here.

You consider the extended leg to be the trail, I have the forward leg being the extended leg since that is the direction she is attempting to go.

No biggie, tough play, tough call!

Ah, I saw her left leg as extended. Either way, the contact is in the torso, not the leg, so I consider it irrelevant. You're right, though, not a huge deal as it's very close and as a partner, I could easily back either call.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I initially had her with LGP from the start, but with a more narrow view of "in the path," I can see why you'd say she didn't have it that long. Either way, I have her, at the latest, getting LGP right before contact in her chest.

And I still say the extended trail leg is irrelevant unless it's the point of contact.

I think you need to give it up, you are obviously past your prime and you are so wrong that you need to admit your faults because this is nothing but a block. Oh I forgot, I am not a golf guy.

Sorry, back to your regular scheduled programing.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think you need to give it up, you are obviously past your prime and you are so wrong that you need to admit your faults because this is nothing but a block. Oh I forgot, I am not a golf guy.

Sorry, back to your regular scheduled programing.

Peace

Yeah but.....

[7IronRef]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think you need to give it up, you are obviously past your prime and you are so wrong that you need to admit your faults because this is nothing but a block. Oh I forgot, I am not a golf guy.

Sorry, back to your regular scheduled programing.

Peace

Rut-h*le, I knew you couldn't let it go old timer.

I understand that people see this as a 50-50 play. All I have said and continue to say is that since this is a college play, and you are a college official that has said that you follow the guidelines now in use, that I disagree with your application of those guidelines and therefore your judgement on the play is ICC.

OK, so you're not a golf guy or basketball guy

Keep up or get out

Enjoy

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by tref

I'm willing to give it another look. At what time is LGP obtained?

As I said earlier, she didn't, IMO.

The "path" goes through "the block". To obtain LGP after sliding in front of the shooter, she must have two feet on the floor while having her torso (not just a foot) over the block. She puts her right foot on the block and is still coming into position. She lifts her left foot in order to shift her torso into the path and never gets it back to the floor before contact....no LGP.

[tref]

Originally Posted by camron rust

as i said earlier, she didn't, imo.

The "path" goes through "the block". To obtain lgp after sliding in front of the shooter, she must have two feet on the floor while having her torso (not just a foot) over the block. she puts her right foot on the block and is still coming into position. She lifts her left foot in order to shift her torso into the path and never gets it back to the floor before contact....no lgp.

+1

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

As I said earlier, she didn't, IMO.

The "path" goes through "the block". To obtain LGP after sliding in front of the shooter, she must have two feet on the floor while having her torso (not just a foot) over the block. She puts her right foot on the block and is still coming into position. She lifts her left foot in order to shift her torso into the path and never gets it back to the floor before contact....no LGP.

UHmmmm, Camron it seems that you are adding quite a bit here to the definition of obtaining LGP. I get that you are explaining your position on the call, but that's adding a whole lot to what the rule book actually says.