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JRutledge Thu Apr 05, 2012 06:36pm

Travel (Pivot foot) or nothing?
 
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Is this a travel?

Peace

APG Thu Apr 05, 2012 06:49pm

I've got nothing...real time or in slow motion.

Camron Rust Thu Apr 05, 2012 07:14pm

No travel.

Your points in the other thread fit this video perfectly (but the events in this video are far from the other video).

At the time he first makes contact with the ball, the toes of his left foot are already coming up off the floor. Acknowledging that it probably takes a moment to "control" the ball after the initial touch, that foot would certainly be off the floor by the time he is holding the ball.

The point of control in this video is approximately full step later than the other one....the ultimate pivot foot in the other video was still coming down as he caught the ball. If this one is considered at all close by anyone, the other one must be obvious.

Nevadaref Thu Apr 05, 2012 07:30pm

Travel.
I was able to pause the video at 11 seconds with the player fully in possession and the left foot still clearly on the floor.

JugglingReferee Thu Apr 05, 2012 09:00pm

It's *really close*.

It's so close that the expected call is nothing, though if a call is made, I suppor tit.

canuckrefguy Fri Apr 06, 2012 01:03am

A travel call here would be the dictionary definition of "ticky-tack".

I can almost GUARANTEE the opposing coach here wasn't screaming for a travel call. I'm willing to bet it never even crossed his mind.

JetMetFan Fri Apr 06, 2012 01:22am

While I trust Nevada's judgment my guess is if I was on the floor I would've had a no-call. I had a legal play in real time sitting at home. Running down the court it might have fallen into the "I'm not 100% sure" category meaning I'm not putting a whistle on it.

I wouldn't have been thrilled afterwards to discover it was a travel but better to call what I know as opposed to what I think.

APG Fri Apr 06, 2012 01:27am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 836010)
While I trust Nevada's judgment my guess is if I was on the floor I would've had a no-call. I had a legal play in real time sitting at home. Running down the court it might have fallen into the "I'm not 100% sure" category meaning I'm not putting a whistle on it.

I wouldn't have been thrilled afterwards to discover it was a travel but better to call what I know as opposed to what I think.

See to me, I have the player gathering the ball/possession while in midair...opposite of what Nevada judged. Either way, I wouldn't be putting air in the whistle on this play.

truerookie Fri Apr 06, 2012 08:36am

Legal!!

Toren Fri Apr 06, 2012 09:01am

I got nothing on this in live play. In slow motion, he travels. But no way I'm calling this a travel in a game situation, it's one of those plays where i think he traveled but I don't know if he traveled.

So I'm staying away.

Adam Fri Apr 06, 2012 09:18am

I think he travels, but there's no way I'm picking this up in real time; because I "think" he travels.

tref Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:00am

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 836011)
See to me, I have the player gathering the ball/possession while in midair...opposite of what Nevada judged. Either way, I wouldn't be putting air in the whistle on this play.

Most definitely! I looked at this play over & over trying to see what travel supporters see as illegal.

I guess some of us look for a reason to blow our whistles & interrupt games by erasing highlight plays:eek:

Adam Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:04am

Quote:

Originally Posted by tref (Post 836073)
Most definitely! I looked at this play over & over trying to see what travel supporters see as illegal.

I guess some of us look for a reason to blow our whistles & interrupt games by erasing highlight plays:eek:

Is that sort of disparagement necessary?

tref Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:09am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 836076)
Is that sort of disparagement necessary?

Snaqs, you did say you had nothing on this play, didnt ya?
Theres only 1 person that says this is a travel & the intended party knows that shot was for him. And yes, its very necessary return fire when fired upon.

Adam Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:11am

Quote:

Originally Posted by tref (Post 836077)
Snaqs, you did say you had nothing on this play, didnt ya?
Theres only 1 person that says this is a travel & the intended party knows that shot was for him. And yes, its very necessary return fire when fired upon.

Actually, if I had to guess one way or the other based on the definitions, I'd guess he traveled. I wouldn't call it, though, because it's way to close to know for sure.

tref Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:16am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 836079)
Actually, if I had to guess one way or the other based on the definitions, I'd guess he traveled. I wouldn't call it, though, because it's way to close to know for sure.

Thats what I gathered from your first post & the reason why the "comment" wasnt directed towards you.

Camron Rust Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:20am

Quote:

Originally Posted by tref (Post 836073)
I guess some of us look for a reason to blow our whistles & interrupt games by erasing highlight plays:eek:

Some also look for excuses to not make a call when it is there.

tref Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:27am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 836100)
Some also look for excuses to not make a call when it is there.

True story :D you & I just disagree that "it is there" on this particular play.
I got a gather with no feet on the floor at :12
Great no-call!

Adam Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:33am

Quote:

Originally Posted by tref (Post 836102)
True story :D you & I just disagree that "it is there" on this particular play.
I got a gather with no feet on the floor at :12
Great no-call!

Did you not read Camron's post?

APG Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:34am

Quote:

Originally Posted by tref (Post 836073)
Most definitely! I looked at this play over & over trying to see what travel supporters see as illegal.

Those that have a travel on the play have judged possession to have occurred earlier than those that have nothing. Me personally, I wouldn't judge possession so quickly or instantaneously (which was JRut's point of posting the play).

tref Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:36am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 836103)
Did you not read Camron's post?

Reading is FUNdamental isnt it? :o

Welpe Fri Apr 06, 2012 01:10pm

I have nothing.

HawkeyeCubP Fri Apr 06, 2012 09:27pm

I'm not calling that a violation.

twocentsworth Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:43am

the two best/most exciting plays for fans in basketball are:

the dunk
a blocked shot

if I blow my whistle on either of these plays, it will be because a clear violation of either applicable rule was violated.

as for the play in the OP.....not a chance that I'm calling a travel!

berserkBBK Thu Apr 12, 2012 03:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by twocentsworth (Post 837059)
the two best/most exciting plays for fans in basketball are:

the dunk
a blocked shot

if I blow my whistle on either of these plays, it will be because a clear violation of either applicable rule was violated.

as for the play in the OP.....not a chance that I'm calling a travel!

What about blocking a dunk?
I'm not blowing the whistle either. Call the obvious. Slow motion it isn't even obvious.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Thu Apr 12, 2012 05:36pm

I know I am late in joining the party but this is not traveling.

MTD, Sr.

BillyMac Thu Apr 12, 2012 05:52pm

Every Party Has A Pooper, That's We Didn't Invite You ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 837145)
I know I am late in joining the party but this is not traveling.

We never invited you to the party. How did you find out about it? Who told you about it? Was it Mark Padgett?


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