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JetMetFan Fri Mar 30, 2012 07:39pm

Good no call? Yay or nay?
 
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Camron Rust Fri Mar 30, 2012 08:46pm

If you ignore the charge as the lead did, the OOB direction appeared to be correct.

twocentsworth Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:22pm

imho, that's a PC foul.

bainsey Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:43pm

Charge.

canuckrefguy Sat Mar 31, 2012 12:47am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 835017)
If you ignore the charge as the lead did, the OOB direction appeared to be correct.

True. Better to have a whistle on that play, though I think. Good defense gets penalized, there's enough contact, and that guy definitely is not flopping.

I think that's one of those plays where you can have a whistle and never get an argument.

Camron Rust Sat Mar 31, 2012 02:00am

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Originally Posted by canuckrefguy (Post 835045)
True. Better to have a whistle on that play, though I think. Good defense gets penalized, there's enough contact, and that guy definitely is not flopping.

I think that's one of those plays where you can have a whistle and never get an argument.

Absolutely agree....i was trying to deliver that meaning with some form of literary subtlety and cleverness that has never been my strong suit. (Where's my buddy the writer when I need him?)

canuckrefguy Sat Mar 31, 2012 02:04am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 835049)
Absolutely agree....i was trying to deliver that meaning with some form of literary subtlety and cleverness that has never been my strong suit. (Where's my buddy the writer when I need him?)

lol maybe my literary subtlety radar's a bit weak :p

JetMetFan Sat Mar 31, 2012 02:23am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 835049)
Absolutely agree....i was trying to deliver that meaning with some form of literary subtlety and cleverness that has never been my strong suit. (Where's my buddy the writer when I need him?)

I understood you, Camron. Though I'm up at 3 AM so my standards may be low :D

APG Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:05am

I personally would have had a charge, but it's not the worst no call in the world.

JRutledge Sat Mar 31, 2012 02:54pm

PC foul all the way. I think you cannot pass on that amount of contact and a player falling to the floor.

Peace

Raymond Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:15am

I can live with that no-call. First contact was with the ball to B1's torso. Can live with a PC also.

NoFussRef Sun Apr 01, 2012 07:12pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 835199)
I can live with that no-call. First contact was with the ball to B1's torso. Can live with a PC also.

HUH? I would have easy PC here, L took the chicken-way out with OOB.

As a dribbler, am I allowed to bowl through a defender (established LGP) provided I lead with the ball rather than the elbow/forearm seen here?

If so, cite NFHS?

Raymond Sun Apr 01, 2012 08:11pm

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Originally Posted by NoFussRef (Post 835281)
HUH? I would have easy PC here, L took the chicken-way out with OOB.

As a dribbler, am I allowed to bowl through a defender (established LGP) provided I lead with the ball rather than the elbow/forearm seen here?

If so, cite NFHS?

Show me a cite that says knocking someone down with the ball is a foul.

NoFussRef Sun Apr 01, 2012 08:45pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 835292)
Show me a cite that says knocking someone down with the ball is a foul.

Touche!
Fair enough. (Setting aside intentional/flagrant/USC).

As for OP, I still see PC.

Raymond Sun Apr 01, 2012 08:52pm

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Originally Posted by NoFussRef (Post 835302)
Touche!
Fair enough. (Setting aside intentional/flagrant/USC).

As for OP, I still see PC.

Plus, I said I would have no problem with a PC call either. Just to me the main contact was from the ball hitting B1 which got him off balance.

JugglingReferee Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:43am

In order, I like these calls:
  1. PC foul
  2. travelling
  3. no call with the OB direction as the L shows
Everything other than that is a wrong call.

Multiple Sports Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:34pm

Agree with BNR (I think that may be twice this year)... I have no issues with a PC, but am leaning towards a NC

Toren Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:10am

Player control

Why is my slot trying to officiate from the T? He would have had a nice angle if he would have hustled down. Instead he took it easy and put it all on the L. The L passed on it, and the C couldn't come in late because it's so far away. Might as well bought a ticket and sat with the other spectators.

HawkeyeCubP Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:29am

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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 835006)
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Big fat nay. L should be keying in those two defenders, and C looks lazy and can't help.

JugglingReferee Tue Apr 03, 2012 04:06am

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 835353)
In order, I like these calls:
  1. PC foul
  2. travelling
Everything other than that is a wrong call.

I was able to pause the video to see the airborne pivot foot returning to the floor after contact, with ball still in hand. If you're not going with a foul, then giving the ball back to A misses two infractions by A, so I no longer support option 3.

L missed the PC foul, and T missed the travel.

amusedofficial Tue Apr 03, 2012 08:36am

Snow plow offense
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 835292)
Show me a cite that says knocking someone down with the ball is a foul.

4-19. A personal foul is a player foul which involves illegal contact with an opponent while the ball is live, which hinders an opponent ...

6-1 a player shall not "use rough tactics"

Don't see anything that says the contact or rough tactics must be body to body. If clearing a path by using the ball as a battering ram was legal contact, I think more than a few coaches would be using it every trip.

APG Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:47am

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Originally Posted by amusedofficial (Post 835528)
4-19. A personal foul is a player foul which involves illegal contact with an opponent while the ball is live, which hinders an opponent ...

6-1 a player shall not "use rough tactics"

Don't see anything that says the contact or rough tactics must be body to body. If clearing a path by using the ball as a battering ram was legal contact, I think more than a few coaches would be using it every trip.

If you want to get real technical, the rule says illegal contact with an opponent...hitting someone with the ball is not contacting an opponent. So technically, your only option is to call a technical foul...

Not saying that's how I'd call or nor what I think should be called on this play.

JetMetFan Tue Apr 03, 2012 03:53pm

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Originally Posted by Toren (Post 835500)
Why is my slot trying to officiate from the T? He would have had a nice angle if he would have hustled down. Instead he took it easy and put it all on the L.

Just your textbook double trail setup.

Maybe the C blanked for a moment and forgot this was a three-person setup? I don't know if IAABO Bd. 12 does a lot of three-person and it's not an excuse but the nice guy in me is trying to come up with a reason - other than a sheer lack of hustle - why the C would've stopped 28 feet from the endline.


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