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Old Sun Apr 01, 2012, 07:12pm
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I can live with that no-call. First contact was with the ball to B1's torso. Can live with a PC also.
HUH? I would have easy PC here, L took the chicken-way out with OOB.

As a dribbler, am I allowed to bowl through a defender (established LGP) provided I lead with the ball rather than the elbow/forearm seen here?

If so, cite NFHS?
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Old Sun Apr 01, 2012, 08:11pm
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HUH? I would have easy PC here, L took the chicken-way out with OOB.

As a dribbler, am I allowed to bowl through a defender (established LGP) provided I lead with the ball rather than the elbow/forearm seen here?

If so, cite NFHS?
Show me a cite that says knocking someone down with the ball is a foul.
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Old Sun Apr 01, 2012, 08:45pm
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Show me a cite that says knocking someone down with the ball is a foul.
Touche!
Fair enough. (Setting aside intentional/flagrant/USC).

As for OP, I still see PC.
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Old Sun Apr 01, 2012, 08:52pm
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Touche!
Fair enough. (Setting aside intentional/flagrant/USC).

As for OP, I still see PC.
Plus, I said I would have no problem with a PC call either. Just to me the main contact was from the ball hitting B1 which got him off balance.
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In order, I like these calls:
  1. PC foul
  2. travelling
  3. no call with the OB direction as the L shows
Everything other than that is a wrong call.
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Old Tue Apr 03, 2012, 04:06am
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In order, I like these calls:
  1. PC foul
  2. travelling
Everything other than that is a wrong call.
I was able to pause the video to see the airborne pivot foot returning to the floor after contact, with ball still in hand. If you're not going with a foul, then giving the ball back to A misses two infractions by A, so I no longer support option 3.

L missed the PC foul, and T missed the travel.
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Old Mon Apr 02, 2012, 12:34pm
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Agree with BNR (I think that may be twice this year)... I have no issues with a PC, but am leaning towards a NC
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Old Tue Apr 03, 2012, 12:10am
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Why is my slot trying to officiate from the T? He would have had a nice angle if he would have hustled down. Instead he took it easy and put it all on the L. The L passed on it, and the C couldn't come in late because it's so far away. Might as well bought a ticket and sat with the other spectators.
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Old Tue Apr 03, 2012, 03:53pm
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Why is my slot trying to officiate from the T? He would have had a nice angle if he would have hustled down. Instead he took it easy and put it all on the L.
Just your textbook double trail setup.

Maybe the C blanked for a moment and forgot this was a three-person setup? I don't know if IAABO Bd. 12 does a lot of three-person and it's not an excuse but the nice guy in me is trying to come up with a reason - other than a sheer lack of hustle - why the C would've stopped 28 feet from the endline.
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Old Tue Apr 03, 2012, 08:36am
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Show me a cite that says knocking someone down with the ball is a foul.
4-19. A personal foul is a player foul which involves illegal contact with an opponent while the ball is live, which hinders an opponent ...

6-1 a player shall not "use rough tactics"

Don't see anything that says the contact or rough tactics must be body to body. If clearing a path by using the ball as a battering ram was legal contact, I think more than a few coaches would be using it every trip.
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Old Tue Apr 03, 2012, 11:47am
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4-19. A personal foul is a player foul which involves illegal contact with an opponent while the ball is live, which hinders an opponent ...

6-1 a player shall not "use rough tactics"

Don't see anything that says the contact or rough tactics must be body to body. If clearing a path by using the ball as a battering ram was legal contact, I think more than a few coaches would be using it every trip.
If you want to get real technical, the rule says illegal contact with an opponent...hitting someone with the ball is not contacting an opponent. So technically, your only option is to call a technical foul...

Not saying that's how I'd call or nor what I think should be called on this play.
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