Another episode of "T or No T"...you make the call

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

If you want to propose that pulling up on the rim be legal, then suggest a rule change.

I don't think he's proposing anything...just that if we're debating, it's probably marginal, so leave it alone. I tend to agree.

[doubleringer]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

I don't think he's proposing anything...just that if we're debating, it's probably marginal, so leave it alone. I tend to agree.

Great way of putting it. I agree. Get the obvious.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by doubleringer

Great way of putting it. I agree. Get the obvious.

And this was.

[tref]

Is this a real game or a showcase?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tref

Is this a real game or a showcase?

It's the "national championship" of non-sanctioned high school teams. These teams play against some regular public schools during the course of the season but also travel extensively and don't have state imposed restrictions. Some of the teams may also have kids who have already graduated high school and are doing a year of prep school before going to college.

[tref]

Ahhh ~ tough to call this a T in a game of that magnitude... easy play-on in a showcase setting.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

Ahhh ~ tough to call this a T in a game of that magnitude... easy play-on in a showcase setting.

Showcase, sure. Magnitude? Nah.

[doubleringer]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

And this was.

Obvious? It seems we have three pages of posts that do not all agree. That doesn't seem obvious.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by doubleringer

Obvious? It seems we have three pages of posts that do not all agree. That doesn't seem obvious.

The action was obvious, I don't see anyone disputing that. Some are just saying they wouldn't call it a T.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The action was obvious...

Unless he has springs in his fingers.

But the obvious illegal action still boils down to the judgment of the floor officials. To pull the trigger or not to pull the trigger??

[mplagrow]

Now we're getting to a different philosophical question. Are there contexts in which there's an 'obvious' rule violation and you're not blowing your whistle? I think we'd all have to agree that there are. Is the violation in this video obvious? I think it is pretty hard to make a case to the contrary. But if I was in the moment, I probably would have had nothing.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by tref

Unless he has springs in his fingers.

But the obvious illegal action still boils down to the judgment of the floor officials. To pull the trigger or not to pull the trigger??

Those that are saying no T are doing so by applying a qualifier to the rule that doesn't exist.....that he didn't grasp the rim too much. But, the rule doesn't consider how much....just whether he did or did not.

That said, and even in spite of my prior comments, I may or may not call it depending on the overall situation...yeah, I did say that.