Another episode of "T or No T"...you make the call

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by chymechowder

I acknowledge that my point of view is partially shaped by being a football official first (12 years) and a basketball official second (2 years), but I don't at all understand why anyone would call this a technical. There's no taunting. No yelling. No delay. The kid dunked and started getting back on defense.

If you have to split hairs about the degree to which a kid pulls his arms up, then--to me, at least--you're not even in the neighborhood for a T.

I'm not trying to be argumentative. And not trying to disparage those who think it's T-worthy.

But philosophy-wise, I just think T's need to "be there." Put another way, if reasonable officials would debate it, then that's probably an indication that there's not enough there.

The point is that grabbing the rim beyond what is necessary to make the shot/dunk is not legal. That act itself is the taunt.

If you want to propose that pulling up on the rim be legal, then suggest a rule change.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

If you want to propose that pulling up on the rim be legal, then suggest a rule change.

I don't think he's proposing anything...just that if we're debating, it's probably marginal, so leave it alone. I tend to agree.

[doubleringer]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

I don't think he's proposing anything...just that if we're debating, it's probably marginal, so leave it alone. I tend to agree.

Great way of putting it. I agree. Get the obvious.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by doubleringer

Great way of putting it. I agree. Get the obvious.

And this was.

[tref]

Is this a real game or a showcase?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tref

Is this a real game or a showcase?

It's the "national championship" of non-sanctioned high school teams. These teams play against some regular public schools during the course of the season but also travel extensively and don't have state imposed restrictions. Some of the teams may also have kids who have already graduated high school and are doing a year of prep school before going to college.

[tref]

Ahhh ~ tough to call this a T in a game of that magnitude... easy play-on in a showcase setting.

[doubleringer]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

And this was.

Obvious? It seems we have three pages of posts that do not all agree. That doesn't seem obvious.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by doubleringer

Obvious? It seems we have three pages of posts that do not all agree. That doesn't seem obvious.

The action was obvious, I don't see anyone disputing that. Some are just saying they wouldn't call it a T.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The action was obvious...

Unless he has springs in his fingers.

But the obvious illegal action still boils down to the judgment of the floor officials. To pull the trigger or not to pull the trigger??