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tref Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:32pm

Cartmell Capt meeting
 
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Andy Wed Mar 28, 2012 02:39pm

Thanks for posting these...I enjoyed them.

Interesting to me how all four of the pregame conferences covered basically the same topics with some difference in verbiage. I'm wondering if this was a PAC-12 or NCAA mandate for the pre-game conference.

tref Wed Mar 28, 2012 03:23pm

Not a problem... I found it interesting that nobody asked for speaking captains numbers & when the partners were asked if they had anything, not one went into their own captains meeting.

Adam Wed Mar 28, 2012 03:25pm

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Originally Posted by tref (Post 834683)
Not a problem... I found it interesting that nobody asked for speaking captains numbers & when the partners were asked if they had anything, not one went into their own captains meeting.

:D

I think it's time to resurrect That Guy's captains' meeting.

rockyroad Wed Mar 28, 2012 03:28pm

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Originally Posted by tref (Post 834683)
Not a problem... I found it interesting that nobody asked for speaking captains numbers & when the partners were asked if they had anything, not one went into their own captains meeting.

Do you say different things when you are not the R? I never add anything other than "Good luck" or "Have fun".

tref Wed Mar 28, 2012 03:32pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 834685)
Do you say different things when you are not the R? I never add anything other than "Good luck" or "Have fun".

Same here, I dont assume that the R forgot something because he didn't mention it.

Cant stand it when I go through my brief meeting (coaches &/or capts) and ask if my partners have something, then they go on twice as long as I did.

Adam Wed Mar 28, 2012 04:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 834685)
Do you say different things when you are not the R? I never add anything other than "Good luck" or "Have fun".

Quote:

Originally Posted by tref (Post 834686)
Same here, I dont assume that the R forgot something because he didn't mention it.

Cant stand it when I go through my brief meeting (coaches &/or capts) and ask if my partners have something, then they go on twice as long as I did.

Had a few partners decide I must have forgotten some stuff; such as speaking captains, black lines, hand check reminders, or telling them that we'll talk them out of stuff if they listen.

Toren Wed Mar 28, 2012 04:54pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 834700)
Had a few partners decide I must have forgotten some stuff; such as speaking captains, black lines, hand check reminders, or telling them that we'll talk them out of stuff if they listen.

I'm one of the worst at hiding my expression when my partners do this, I actually found myself rolling my eyes earlier this year. I thought I better cut that out, I never know who may be watching.

Adam Wed Mar 28, 2012 05:39pm

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Originally Posted by Toren (Post 834702)
I'm one of the worst at hiding my expression when my partners do this, I actually found myself rolling my eyes earlier this year. I thought I better cut that out, I never know who may be watching.

When a new guy does it, I chalk it up to him being new. When someone with 5 or more years does it, I get annoyed. I'm new enough in my area that I don't say anything, though. It's not worth the potential political issues. Now, I take it as an opportunity to do an experiment.

Is "I need speaking captains" guy a markedly worse official?

rockyroad Wed Mar 28, 2012 08:44pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 834700)
Had a few partners decide I must have forgotten some stuff; such as speaking captains, black lines, hand check reminders, or telling them that we'll talk them out of stuff if they listen.

I had one guy pull that this season...I interrupted him with "Thanks, partner. Have a fun game tonight guys." and then I walked away.

Made for a few interesting moments in the locker room at half time.

Adam Wed Mar 28, 2012 09:14pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 834719)
I had one guy pull that this season...I interrupted him with "Thanks, partner. Have a fun game tonight guys." and then I walked away.

Made for a few interesting moments in the locker room at half time.

"Listen to us guys, we'll talk you out of the lane....."? Was that it?

icallfouls Wed Mar 28, 2012 09:38pm

partners and captains meetings
 
Treat it like the military, don't ask, don't tell. In other words, if you don't want your partner to add anything, don't open the door for them to do so.

I have from on ocassion, during pregame, told my partner, I will ask you during captain's meeting if you have anything to add, but have said to partners that the appropriate response is "no"

Raymond Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:02pm

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Originally Posted by icallfouls (Post 834722)
Treat it like the military, don't ask, don't tell. In other words, if you don't want your partner to add anything, don't open the door for them to do so.

I have from on ocassion, during pregame, told my partner, I will ask you during captain's meeting if you have anything to add, but have said to partners that the appropriate response is "no"

Then why ask?

zm1283 Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:26pm

I don't ask my partner(s) to give input. If I need them to say something, I will tell them before the game. Likewise, I don't talk during their meetings.

I have had very few partners step in and start talking without me asking them to. The one I remember was a veteran that started asking about speaking captains when I didn't. (I never do) Nowadays, if I haven't worked with a guy, I will tell him that I don't get speaking captains and not to worry about it.

Rich Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:34pm

It's easy for me. I generally don't listen to my partner's captain's meeting spiel. :D

Adam Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:44pm

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Originally Posted by GROUPthink (Post 834729)
It's easy for me. I generally don't listen to my partner's captain's meeting spiel. :D

Ever throw in a yawn?

Rich Thu Mar 29, 2012 01:56am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 834730)
Ever throw in a yawn?

Occasionally, I pretend to look at a watch. ;)

rockyroad Thu Mar 29, 2012 09:07am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 834720)
"Listen to us guys, we'll talk you out of the lane....."? Was that it?

Nope...it was a District playoff game, between two teams from the same town and same school district. We were playing in a gym that each team had played at least 6 games in that year, and he starts in with the "OK guys, it's the black line all around the court..."

One of the captains came up to me a minute later as they were warming up and said "Thanks, man!"

Adam Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:07am

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 834751)
Nope...it was a District playoff game, between two teams from the same town and same school district. We were playing in a gym that each team had played at least 6 games in that year, and he starts in with the "OK guys, it's the black line all around the court..."

One of the captains came up to me a minute later as they were warming up and said "Thanks, man!"

Nice.

Raymond Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:08am

I have a standard one word reply when the R asks if I have anything: "Sportsmanship"

fiasco Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:13am

Count me as one who finds it pretty childish to ask for your partners' input then get annoyed when they give it. That being said, I always just give a shake of my head "no."

rockyroad Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:41am

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Originally Posted by fiasco (Post 834761)
Count me as one who finds it pretty childish to ask for your partners' input then get annoyed when they give it. That being said, I always just give a shake of my head "no."

Just to set the record straight here, I did not ask my partners if they had anything to add. He just started talking...

7IronRef Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:56am

We have people around these parts that disagree with "have fun" :rolleyes:

Adam Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:59am

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 834763)
Just to set the record straight here, I did not ask my partners if they had anything to add. He just started talking...

Have to admit I figured the "do you have anything" was just a standard empty statement. While I wasn't annoyed with partners who added something, I was certainly judgmental. Well, I *am* judgmental, actually.

If someone thinks that makes me childish, well, my response is simple:

"Does not."

rockyroad Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:59am

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Originally Posted by 7IronRef (Post 834765)
We have people around these parts that disagree with "have fun" :rolleyes:

What??

Seriously?

Why?

Rich Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:25am

I really like the freedom of movement discussion. And I'm one that normally ends a meeting in about 10 seconds. I may have to add some of these things next season.

Andy Thu Mar 29, 2012 04:40pm

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Originally Posted by GROUPthink (Post 834729)
It's easy for me. I generally don't listen to my partner's captain's meeting spiel. :D

Hmmmm...kind of like the captains......

7IronRef Thu Mar 29, 2012 05:40pm

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Originally Posted by Andy (Post 834814)
Hmmmm...kind of like the captains......

...and the coaches at the coaches meeting....and the table crew at the table meeting....:D

BillyMac Fri Mar 30, 2012 06:33am

Yada Yada ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GROUPthink (Post 834729)
It's easy for me. I generally don't listen to my partner's captain's meeting spiel. :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy (Post 834814)
Hmmmm...kind of like the captains......

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7IronRef (Post 834820)
...and the coaches at the coaches meeting....and the table crew at the table meeting....

... and partners in the pregame conference.

Raymond Fri Mar 30, 2012 07:43am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy (Post 834814)
Hmmmm...kind of like the captains......

Yeah, like the captains in a couple of these videos.

constable Sat Mar 31, 2012 05:02am

I can't stand the " that guy" captain's meeting. It drives me nuts.

I don't care who the speaking captain is. You better know what lines we are using. You better know that handchecking is a foul.

My typical captain's spiel is as follows:
"shirts tucked in, subs to the table, take care of your hammer heads before we have to take care of them... any questions? good luck, have fun"


over in 14.5 seconds


Every year our exec hounds us to take care of the sub and uniform issues hence the inclusion.






in FIBA I games I don't even speak to the captains


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