Creighton vs. North Carolina
 

No call? Really?

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Looks like a flagrant 2. It does seem incredulous that it wasn't called. It happened right out in the middle of the court. It must have been in someone's calling area.

Just heard Kendall Marshall has broken his wrist. Unbelievable. I hope the thugs from Creighton are happy.

In our HS games: whack, get out.


Edit: Good advice is to always know how a player went to the floor. We don't want to miss those calls where a player went to the floor illegally.

Yep, I'd have gone flagrant with that one.

yep
 

+1

Play where Marshall's wrist was broken.

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no call, because all three officials are watching the flight of the ball.

As would I....flagrant 1.

Probably got no call as a result of the earlier flopping he did...they no longer believed him when he went down even though it should have been a foul.

If that was what they were thinking, that is plain old poor. See the play, see the non-basketball play, make the call, EVERY TIME

Cameron, I cannot believe someone on your stature would even make a statement like this one.

Lead unnecessarily rotating. And did so without keeping his eyes on the paint. Old Trail/New C (due to L rotating) definitely should have had this call.

Trail was watching the shooter as he should, that's not called ball-watching.

It was a JOKE....but he had flopped a time or two before that. ;)

I had already said it was a flagrant 1....and an obvious one at that. And a prior flop shouldn't have changed that.

Actually the only other time Zeller hit the floor was a couple of minutes AFTER Echenique leveled him. That was when he took a forearm to the chest but was called for an &1 block.

What the heck was that? and why did they miss it? Whack! Buh by.

Trail was watching on ball, lead was rotating and it appears took eye of primary, C should have grabbed it, but appears to be watching for any BI GT.

Pretty shocking.

Edit: Just watched again, don't know how C missed it, and it appears lead had a peek too.

Between this and the Duke thread, I think it's safe to say we have a UNC fanboy on our hands.

This one looks like a fluke from that angle. Nothing particularly noteworthy about the foul itself.

The play you are referring to was a good no call, big time flop. As for the OP, I saw that live and was shocked there was nothing on it. Creighton's big guy chucked Zeller pretty good like this on the trip before as well.

Actually no. I've been a UNC fan since I was 10 years old and I've posted about plays from UNC games a helluva lot longer than you've been here.

A fanboy is one who comes here and complains about calls that cost his team the game.

Actually no, it was called a block on Zeller.

McDermott called Echenique into his office on Monday morning, watched the play with him and told him it was "unacceptable."

Just an overall game plan of physical play that ended up being viewed by many as dirty play. And that's not just Carolina fans. McDermott called Roy Williams on Monday and apologized for any plays that were perceived as dirty, as that was not his intent. I take him at his word.

The foul on Marshall was a forearm to the ribs after he was already by the fouler.

No, a fanboy is someone who lets his affinity for a certain team cloud his better judgment, which is what you've done several times in this and other threads about Carolina. Winning or losing the game doesn't necessarily play into the definition.

Calling an entire team "thugs" because there was one blatantly thuggish play by one player and several questionable but not overtly thuggish plays makes you, by definition, a fanboy.

Just own it, dude.

So, which plays is BktBallRef wrong about?

BktBallRef - wasn't there a play later in the game where on of the Creighton players went out of his way to smack Marshall on that injured wrist AFTER the play had been blown dead?

Whatever you say, newbie.

One attribute of a fanboy is that the person comes *only* to be a fanboy. It doesn't mean that a poster can't be a fan, even a rabid fan.

So calling BktBallRef a fanboy is laughable.

Henson, not Marshall.

That was the play that got it all started early in the game. Henson was fouled by Wragge under the Carolina basket. After the whistle blew, Gibbs came in and took 2-3 swipes, nailing Henson's wrist. Henson took exception, got in his face and O'Neill hit him with the T. The cameras caught Gibbs winking to his bench after the incident.

Williams talked to Tom O'Neill and Marshall spoke with Pat Driscoll and ask that they look for plays where CU must be intentionally going after Henson's wrist.

The Zeller-Echenique play I posted to start this thread came next.

In the second half, the foul by Wragge on Marshall came at the 10:56 mark. I don't think it was a dirty foul but it was obviously part of their physical game plan.

About a minute plus later, PJ Hairston stole a rebound that CU should have had and went straight to the basket. Gibbs hit him in the head from behind to try and stop him from making the shot. Foul called. Hairston turned and started to take exception but controlled himself.

As I wrote above, Coach Williams had planned to call Coach McDermott on Monday about the first play I posted. But McDermott called first and apologized for anything that was perceived as dirty. He had Echenique review the Zeller play and explained that he would tolerate that type of play.

Creighton's game plan was to be physical, "You can't push us around" type deal. That said so in interviews after the game. But those plays fueled the fire, with many people in the media, obviously Carolina fans, and even some Creighton fans calling them out for dirty play.

Whatever you say, newbie.

Correctly called a block at that. Zellar flopped out of it with marginal contact into a position on the floor the NCAA has deemed illegal and was thus called for the block when there was again contact with the shooter from this now illegal position.

The lead on that play had perfect position and had nothing else to look at.....I trust he saw it for what it was and called it correctly.

You make the sequence of events seem a lot more stretched out in time than they were. At the time it occurred, the timing of the events all seemed part of normal play....he didn't seem to go after him after the whistle. He was going in for the ball around the same time as the original foul and stopped maybe a bit after the whistle.....a fairly normal reaction time it seemed.

Did the cameras really catch him winking? I don't know...maybe but it could be that he just blinked. I don't have the replay to check. But i'm sure if you were looking for a wink, you could find one.

The only play I felt was of questionable cleanliness was the one in the video that started this thread....that should have been a FF1.

Some of us aren't as new as you'd think.

The wink was very clear--definitely not a "blink."

That said, I don't see any reasonable objections to anything in that game beyond the Echenique play. And I'm still trying to figure out why Williams didn't ask the officials to go to the monitor and review that play. Honestly, did no one on Carolina's bench see what happened? No one?

'Nough Said ...
 

Sixty posts? Forum newbie.

My Fifth Grade Teacher Taught Me
 

I wouldn't assume if I were you.

It would be really nice if you didn't quote someone on my ignore list.

Sorry. Fixed it.

Thanks.

Play on the far end, shot in the air...probably not. I think if Zeller doesn't hop right up, then there's discussion and a review.

What do you think of Mason Plumlee testing the NBA waters?

Holy cow. Prima donna anyone?

We get it. Someone here, a regular, changed their forum name. Big whoop. You hide behind a new screen name, you still get called a newbie. End of story.

The play in the OP is at least an F1 and could certainly be an F2.
The foul on the kid who hurt his wrist should be deemed F1 in my opinion as there is no attempt or possibility of playing the ball.

I can't wait for the NCAA preseason video for next year! Some excellent clips available in this year's tourney.

Thanks for reminding me to replenish my ignore list, though. I already got the image poster, now I'll add you.

I'm so hurt.

You remind me of the teenage girl on the cell phone commercial who calls her boyfriend to tell him that she's giving him the silent treatment. Kinda defeats the purpose, bro.

Wolf In Sheep's Clothing ...
 

Well, I, for one, didn't get it. Now I do. Thanks fiasco. Now. Who, and why?

Shoot, who cares? Maybe the name change improved the quality of the person's posts.

Dr. Jekyll Or Mr. Hyde ???
 

Who's WillyMac?