tref fortmoney wroteDid anybody just watch the end of the half? I am in disbelief. That ruling seems to go against all common sense. I realize very few people on this forum have ever had this situation as it involves a shot clock, but here goes: Syracuse has the ball with about 1.3 seconds more than the shot clock, left in the half. Got down to about 11 seconds remaining (therefore about 10 left on the shotclock) and they started their offense. Syracuse throws up a 3 with maybe :04 left in the half (3 on the shotclock), airballs, rebounded by Syracuse, and the player is fouled on a shot. Whistle is clearly blown before the shotclock horn goes off, but as the player is finishing the shooting motion, the shotclock buzzer blows as the ball is still in his hands. The lead counts the basket, officials confer at the table. They decide to not only wave off the shot, but not shoot freethrows! Do the shotclock and game both not stop as soon as the whistle is blown? Shouldn't they, at the very least, shot foul shots? Sounds like you already know the answers to your questions. Guessing you're just surprised by the misapplication?
fortmoney tref wroteSounds like you already know the answers to your questions. Guessing you're just surprised by the misapplication? Just making sure it WAS a misapplication and not an odd rule. I definitely will default to 3 NCAA tournament officials' judgment over mine if I've never seen it before.
Johnny Ringo BktBallRef wroteFoul and whistle came before the shot clock expired. Should have counted the basket and shot 1 FT. We're discussing it in the Chat Room. I thought it should have been no basket because ball had not left hand prior to time expiring, however two FTs because foul occurred prior.
fortmoney Johnny Ringo wroteI thought it should have been no basket because ball had not left hand prior to time expiring, however two FTs because foul occurred prior. The shotclock doesn't continue to run when a foul is called and 10 seconds left, so why should it run when there is 1 second left?
BktBallRef Johnny Ringo wroteI thought it should have been no basket because ball had not left hand prior to time expiring, however two FTs because foul occurred prior. The shot clock and game clock stop when a whistle blows. So how can the clock expire when the whistle is before the buzzer?
APG Johnny Ringo wroteI thought it should have been no basket because ball had not left hand prior to time expiring, however two FTs because foul occurred prior. Negative...count the basket and one...since the foul occurred before the shot clock expired, the clock should have stopped.
Johnny Ringo Good point. Then should the foul have been enforced? Foul happened prior to expiration of time.
Raymond tref wroteAre they using PTS? Not in the tourney. They never do. Sure would have prevented whatever is being discussed here. I haven't seen it yet.
tref BadNewsRef wroteNot in the tourney. They never do. Sure would have prevented whatever is being discussed here. I haven't seen it yet. Neither have I, gotta work 🙁
jbduke This error would have been correctable to start the half, no? I've been in the rulebook all half, and I'm struggling to see how it's not correctable. If I'm wrong, mea culpa to the crew (sort of). If I'm right, it's a double-whammy.
tref AllPurposeGamer wroteNegative...count the basket and one...since the foul occurred before the shot clock expired, the clock should have stopped. Do we have a CE situation here?
BktBallRef It's within the next dead ball time frame but I'm not sure how the end of the period plays in under NCAA rules. No matter, they didn't correct it. And Len Elmore is explaining to everyone how they got it right. 🙁
fortmoney BktBallRef wroteIt's within the next dead ball time frame but I'm not sure how the end of the period plays in under NCAA rules. No matter, they didn't correct it. And Len Elmore is explaining to everyone how they got it right. 🙁 That's what is making me mad. The crew just missed a goaltend against Cuse so now atleast the outcome of the game can't be blamed on this one call
BktBallRef fortmoney wrote...so now atleast the outcome of the game can't be blamed on this one call Wanna bet? Fans can always blame a loss on a call.
fortmoney BktBallRef wroteWanna bet? Fans can always blame a loss on a call. fans can, but at least I can rest knowing that there was at least one major missed call against both teams with similar results
APG fortmoney wrotefans can, but at least I can rest knowing that there was at least one major missed call against both teams with similar results One was a missed judgement call...the other was a misapplication of the rules. Two different categories.
JRutledge fortmoney wrotefans can, but at least I can rest knowing that there was at least one major missed call against both teams with similar results Fans will blame the first call on the game for the outcome. Who cares what fans think. No one call ever changes the outcome of a game. There are too many plays that if gone one way or the other have the same result. Peace