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loners4me Mon Mar 12, 2012 01:49pm

You make the call......
 
End of third OT between Washington and Manual - Peoria, IL - pjstar.com

Rich Mon Mar 12, 2012 01:57pm

The original call, IMO, was right. Count it.

Bear in mind, it took me about 4 views and stop action to come to that conclusion -- real-time, I thought the shot was late.

rockyroad Mon Mar 12, 2012 02:01pm

WOW!

That is one of the closest ones I have ever seen. I haven't done the stop action bit that Rich did, so it seems like it was late to me.

fullor30 Mon Mar 12, 2012 02:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 831490)
The original call, IMO, was right. Count it.

Bear in mind, it took me about 4 views and stop action to come to that conclusion -- real-time, I thought the shot was late.

Took far more than four views and caught ball out of his hands before light goes on......count it. Doesn't get much closer.

JetMetFan Mon Mar 12, 2012 02:02pm

Tough
 
Same here. It's tough but my first reaction was no good.

JugglingReferee Mon Mar 12, 2012 02:05pm

I showed the video to the seniors club at my local KoC and they love the videos.

2 guys said count in, 3 guys said it's late.

I still haven't made up my mind.

fullor30 Mon Mar 12, 2012 02:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 831490)
The original call, IMO, was right. Count it.

Bear in mind, it took me about 4 views and stop action to come to that conclusion -- real-time, I thought the shot was late.

Saw this last week from a ref friend and I was thinking out loud.....you know game is tied, not 100 percent either way. Call it no good and settle it in OT.

Hindsight of course and would never have time to think this through.....but?

OK, game on.

Raymond Mon Mar 12, 2012 02:08pm

I thought is was good. But it's so close I definitely don't have a problem with them waving it off.

JugglingReferee Mon Mar 12, 2012 02:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 831497)
Saw this last week from a ref friend and I was thinking out loud.....you know game is tied, not 100 percent either way. Call it no good and settle it in OT.

Hindsight of course and would never have time to think this through.....but?

OK, game on.

Actually, anyone who is not phased by the situation might suggest to go to OT4.

loners4me Mon Mar 12, 2012 02:25pm

Second half of the equasion. C called it good. They got together and was overruled by the L who was also the R.

fullor30 Mon Mar 12, 2012 02:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by loners4me (Post 831506)
Second half of the equasion. C called it good. They got together and was overruled by the L who was also the R.

I'd sink or swim as a crew as it was that close unless R may have felt like I was musing about.

What the heck, having almost week to think about this, If I was calling official.....wave it off and go to yet another OT.

One voice on this call however, IMHO

cmhjordan23 Mon Mar 12, 2012 02:50pm

Game speed, close as it gets. Call could go either way. Slow Motion, Count It.

Duffman Mon Mar 12, 2012 02:55pm

Looked good in real time to me.

twocentsworth Mon Mar 12, 2012 03:15pm

wave it off...clock, LED lights, horn, then release....

loners4me Mon Mar 12, 2012 03:19pm

So the poll in the local paper is split, just like this forum. So, do you let the C make the call and go with it or get together, discuss and make a group decision.
If your the C do you allow your call to be overturned?

Does the fact its triple OT in state tourney change anything.

bainsey Mon Mar 12, 2012 03:20pm

Suddenly, I'm liking the NFHS instant play rule a lot more.

Raymond Mon Mar 12, 2012 03:28pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by loners4me (Post 831523)
So the poll in the local paper is split, just like this forum. So, do you let the C make the call and go with it or get together, discuss and make a group decision.
If your the C do you allow your call to be overturned?

Does the fact its triple OT in state tourney change anything.

I just know that if I'm his partner and I don't feel 100% that shot was no-good then I'm not offering any opinion. The Trail does have a good look at both the red light LED and the shooter while the C is not in a great position to see the LED.

JetMetFan Mon Mar 12, 2012 03:48pm

And the verdict is...
 
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fullor30 Mon Mar 12, 2012 04:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 831530)
<embed width="440" height="420" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" src="http://v5.tinypic.com/player.swf?file=ixfof8&s=5"><br><font size="1"><a href="http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=ixfof8&s=5">

Told ya..........

JetMetFan Mon Mar 12, 2012 04:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 831536)
Told ya..........

Hey, I'm an official. It's not the first time I've ever been wrong :) But I sure can't blame the crew for not getting this one if someone wasn't 100% sure.

JugglingReferee Mon Mar 12, 2012 04:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 831530)
<embed width="440" height="420" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" src="http://v5.tinypic.com/player.swf?file=ixfof8&s=5"><br><font size="1"><a href="http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=ixfof8&s=5">


Quote:

Originally Posted by twocentsworth (Post 831521)
wave it off...clock, LED lights, horn, then release....

Ooops. :p

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Mon Mar 12, 2012 04:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by loners4me (Post 831489)


I had a charge by the Red player who put up the intial missed shot.

MTD, Sr.

fullor30 Mon Mar 12, 2012 05:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 831539)
Hey, I'm an official. It's not the first time I've ever been wrong :) But I sure can't blame the crew for not getting this one if someone wasn't 100% sure.

Wasn't really directed at you:D, I also played at least 20 times to get right freeze frame.

How did you get the slo mo?

Rich Mon Mar 12, 2012 05:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 831549)
I had a charge by the Red player who put up the intial missed shot.

MTD, Sr.

Of course you did. You always do.

JetMetFan Mon Mar 12, 2012 05:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 831555)
Wasn't really directed at you:D, I also played at least 20 times to get right freeze frame.

How did you get the slo mo?

I have editing/capturing stuff (I work in TV) so I can get nerdy with these things when I have time :)

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Mon Mar 12, 2012 06:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 831561)
Of course you did. You always do.


It was an easy call. The dribbler pushed off with her free arm and practically knocked the defendeer on her tuchus.

MTD, Sr.

fullor30 Mon Mar 12, 2012 07:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 831567)
It was an easy call. The dribbler pushed off with her free arm and practically knocked the defendeer on her tuchus.

MTD, Sr.



If you caught that, did you happen to catch that it's a boys game?

Mark Padgett Mon Mar 12, 2012 08:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 831567)
It was an easy call. The dribbler pushed off with her free arm and practically knocked the defendeer on her tuchus.

MTD, Sr.

Boy, ya' don't see the word "tuchus" used much on this board. Oy! :)

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Mon Mar 12, 2012 10:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 831585)
If you caught that, did you happen to catch that it's a boys game?


That is why I am such a great basketball official: I am blind in one eye and can't see out of the other. LOL

MTD, Sr.

Adam Mon Mar 12, 2012 10:48pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 831539)
Hey, I'm an official. It's not the first time I've ever been wrong :) But I sure can't blame the crew for not getting this one if someone wasn't 100% sure.

Maybe, but the R coming in to overrule this one is just big timing, IMO, when it's this close (let alone when he's wrong).

JetMetFan Tue Mar 13, 2012 08:11am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 831623)
Maybe, but the R coming in to overrule this one is just big timing, IMO, when it's this close (let alone when he's wrong).

I agree now that I take another glance at it. The C was emphatic with scoring the goal. It would be interesting to know what his partners said to him but if I'm that strong calling a last-second shot - one way or another - I'd like to think my partners would trust me, especially since it's my call.

fullor30 Tue Mar 13, 2012 09:10am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 831622)
That is why I am such a great basketball official: I am blind in one eye and can't see out of the other. LOL

MTD, Sr.

One more eye, and they'd call you Cyclops

fullor30 Tue Mar 13, 2012 09:12am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 831623)
Maybe, but the R coming in to overrule this one is just big timing, IMO, when it's this close (let alone when he's wrong).

Yup, Yup,Yup

Welpe Tue Mar 13, 2012 09:29am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 831567)
It was an easy call. The dribbler pushed off with her free arm and practically knocked the defendeer on her tuchus.

MTD, Sr.

You may have a point here...minus the gender confusion.

YooperReferee Tue Mar 13, 2012 01:28pm

It looked like a possible flop on the defender, but what about the push off on the offensive player driving to the basket?

ballgame99 Tue Mar 13, 2012 04:31pm

Would like to see if the T had an equally emphatic wave off. The C definitely thought it was good.

twocentsworth Tue Mar 13, 2012 04:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 831623)
Maybe, but the R coming in to overrule this one is just big timing, IMO, when it's this close (let alone when he's wrong).

could be that this falls into the "big timing" category....

i can easily see a different scenario: T comes in to ask if the C was 100% certain if shot was good....C says he wasn't 100% sure, T said he thought it was no good...."if we're not sure, we can always go to another overtime".....

Toren Tue Mar 13, 2012 07:01pm

Hard one
 
On first view, I thought no good. Of course, now we all know it was good.

I didn't think it was an offensive foul either, as the player didn't extend or displace the defender. Looked like a classic flop there, but the angle isn't great to be certain one way or the other.

JetMetFan Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:00am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 831758)
Would like to see if the T had an equally emphatic wave off.

It wasn't the T's call so he wouldn't/shouldn't have been making a signal one way or the other.

It looks like the C went right over to the T after the call, though you can't tell whether he went on his own or was called over. Guessing here but I'll say he was called over since I know if I was that strong with a game-winning shot I would've just started running off the court.

Guessing again I'm thinking the T either said "are you sure?" or "the shot was late." Again, I'm still surprised the C changed his call because he was so emphatic that it was good.

JRutledge Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:14am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 831758)
Would like to see if the T had an equally emphatic wave off. The C definitely thought it was good.

The T did not do anything to signal what he thought. The officials did come together so that they could get it right. The call was going to send someone home and the C wanted to be sure and put aside his ego in order to confer with his partners. Also the C had about 6 players in front of him and the light and the clock did not match up. There is a picture (which I will have to find again) that shows the light on with .01 seconds left on the clock.

Remember these guys did not have replay to review like the NCAA guys. If the original call stood someone was going home. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Peace


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