The Official Forum

The Official Forum (https://forum.officiating.com/)
-   Basketball (https://forum.officiating.com/basketball/)
-   -   More State Tournament Fun (https://forum.officiating.com/basketball/89785-more-state-tournament-fun.html)

rockyroad Wed Mar 07, 2012 01:01pm

More State Tournament Fun
 
So here is the excitement from Washington's 4A State tournament...the first video is of the full court shot that the Union HS kid hit at the buzzer. Union lost by 1. The second clip is of the possession right before the full court shot...same kid hits a shot and the C overrules the L during the timeout and calls it a 2...the guy at C ended up working the Championship game the next night.

Toren Wed Mar 07, 2012 01:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 830495)
So here is the excitement from Washington's 4A State tournament...the first video is of the full court shot that the Union HS kid hit at the buzzer. Union lost by 1. The second clip is of the possession right before the full court shot...same kid hits a shot and the C overrules the L during the timeout and calls it a 2...the guy at C ended up working the Championship game the next night.

Forget something?:cool:

rockyroad Wed Mar 07, 2012 01:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toren (Post 830502)
Forget something?:cool:

Dang it...

Washington star Jordan Chatman hits full-court buzzer-beater ? which should have tied state semi | Prep Rally - Yahoo! Sports

tref Wed Mar 07, 2012 01:31pm

Ouch, I apologize for being critical, but this is unacceptable!

On the 3 that was changed to a 2, I only see one official in the screen. WTH is the C at?? Looks like hes lolligaging in the most pivotal part of the game.
Honestly, I dont see how the T could've marked a 3 point attempt judging by where he is. This is clearly an example of when the L should be cognizant of his partners poor positioning & sneaking a peak at the transitional game tying try.

And the last shot was clearly G O N E prior to the horn.

Here, if we do a semi thats it, we cant get the final too.
If thats not the case where you work, he should've lost that gig!
C'Mon man!!

ballgame99 Wed Mar 07, 2012 02:03pm

I'm with tref, my first observation is where in the world are the officials? The C doesn't ever get past half court. That was CLEARLY a 3. So I'm guessing the announcer says its a 3 without any signal from the officials, and the officials convene and say it was a two because we were being lazy and not running the floor so we could see the play. The L probably should have picked up the slack here (since not much was happening in his primary yet) but you can't peg it on him. That is embarrasing.

Raymond Wed Mar 07, 2012 02:09pm

Hard to defend the crew on this one. :o

The C chooses the last minute of the game to stop hustling, not a good look at all.

The Lead was hustling but had a lot of bodies in between him and the shooter so it would be hard for him to get a good look. Plus, as the Lead, I would have assumed the C was going to be in position to mark any 3-point shots on his half the court.

Da Official Wed Mar 07, 2012 02:11pm

This is why they pay for a 3-Man crew......State should get some of their money back. Geesh... :confused:

tref Wed Mar 07, 2012 02:14pm

After reviewing the film & acknowledging my shortcomings that ultimately cost the kids a trip to the finals, I personally, would've removed myself from the C'Ship!

But then again, everybody doesn't review their work, ma.y times its just on to the next one. Smh

That being said, no... Nobody is perfect, I make mistakes too. I just try not to make em gamers.

BLydic Wed Mar 07, 2012 02:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tref (Post 830509)
On the 3 that was changed to a 2, I only see one official in the screen. WTH is the C at?? Looks like hes lolligaging in the most pivotal part of the game.
Honestly, I dont see how the T could've marked a 3 point attempt judging by where he is. This is clearly an example of when the L should be cognizant of his partners poor positioning & sneaking a peak at the transitional game tying try.

While I agree with your assessment, please read OP again ... "same kid hits a shot and the C overrules the L during the timeout and calls it a 2". This makes it only worse.

rockyroad Wed Mar 07, 2012 02:18pm

A little added info...the visiting team (Union) called a timeout as soon as the disputed shot went in. The scoreboard put it up as a 3. The C (who was also the R of the crew) called the crew together. Apparently the L and the T both said it was a 3, but the C "overruled" them and had it scored as a 2. Apparently his argument was that neither of them could have had a clean look at the play - but somehow he did. I will say that I got all of this info from the guy who was the Alt. official and was sitting at the score table listening to everything. And no - they never asked him.

It is hard to defend them on this play. And it is hard to defend a system that allows the one guy who should have been there to get the call correct to then work the Championship game the next evening.

tref Wed Mar 07, 2012 02:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BLydic (Post 830541)
While I agree with your assessment, please read OP again ... "same kid hits a shot and the C overrules the L during the timeout and calls it a 2". This makes it only worse.

I stand corrected, the L exhibited "a nice piece of officiating" by sneaking a peak. Not much more you do when the R takes over the game... well, except use the phrase that pays, "I'm 100% certain & I accept full responsibility!" If that doesnt work, then it is what it is...

truerookie Wed Mar 07, 2012 02:31pm

Do to my previous posts. I will remain silent on this one. It speaks for itself.

Raymond Wed Mar 07, 2012 02:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by truerookie (Post 830549)
D<s>o</s>ue to my previous posts. I will remain silent on this one. It speaks for itself.

Don't want to reveal that you agree with the group? ;)

truerookie Wed Mar 07, 2012 02:48pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 830557)
Don't want to reveal that you agree with the group? ;)

BNR,

Why you got to call me out like that? On my spelling (Due v Do).;)

Jeremy Hohn Wed Mar 07, 2012 06:13pm

All the more reason why I get upset at guys that don't value physical conditioning or try to get "in shape" during the season. Your inability to keep up with the game will rear its ugly head sometime. Only this time it was on the biggest stage.

Sad.

IUgrad92 Wed Mar 07, 2012 06:30pm

I don't believe this specific instance had to do with physical conditioning as much as it had to do with officiating till the final horn. Looks like he was thinking about a hot shower a few seconds too soon......

26 Year Gap Wed Mar 07, 2012 07:04pm

Wow. Just wow.

Toren Wed Mar 07, 2012 07:50pm

This is definitely a bad sequence. Although if the initial shot would have been counted a 3 as it should have been, then the whole space time continuum would have been changed and the kid on the free throw line would have made that free throw and they still would have lost by one. :confused:

26 Year Gap Wed Mar 07, 2012 07:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toren (Post 830647)
This is definitely a bad sequence. Although if the initial shot would have been counted a 3 as it should have been, then the whole space time continuum would have been changed and the kid on the free throw line would have made that free throw and they still would have lost by one. :confused:

Certainly things may have played out differently. More pressure on the kid at the line with only a 3 point lead, though. I will go with my earlier post on this one.

JetMetFan Thu Mar 08, 2012 01:13am

Quote:

Originally Posted by tref (Post 830545)
I stand corrected, the L exhibited "a nice piece of officiating" by sneaking a peak. Not much more you do when the R takes over the game... well, except use the phrase that pays, "I'm 100% certain & I accept full responsibility!" If that doesnt work, then it is what it is...

Right. The new L - who did right by sneaking a peek since it was in transition - should've come out with conviction when the shot was made and during the time out to say it was a 3. I'll agree, there's no way the new T could've seen anything but there's no way the C could've called it either since he had to be a good 15 feet behind the play.

What's worse is the C's only job on transition plays is to stay with the ball between the arcs. The guy was half-walking, half-jogging from the moment the play started.

Jeremy Hohn Thu Mar 08, 2012 07:56am

Quote:

Originally Posted by IUgrad92 (Post 830639)
I don't believe this specific instance had to do with physical conditioning as much as it had to do with officiating till the final horn. Looks like he was thinking about a hot shower a few seconds too soon......

I was making that statement overall moreso that this specific play. Conditioning can put you in or out of position for these key plays after you have been running for 31:50 hard.

tomegun Thu Mar 08, 2012 04:10pm

Has the video been taken off that site?

rockyroad Thu Mar 08, 2012 04:37pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomegun (Post 830875)
Has the video been taken off that site?

Don't think so...I just brought it up and watched it again to check.

Rich Thu Mar 08, 2012 04:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeremy Hohn (Post 830686)
I was making that statement overall moreso that this specific play. Conditioning can put you in or out of position for these key plays after you have been running for 31:50 hard.

Agreed. But this was just a C not working in transition.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:59am.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1