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Defender is in position, from how I see it. No-call or PC. In high school, probably a PC.

Looks like a pretty good flop to me. No call.

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UCONN players only flop in the classroom.

Doesn't a flop that causes a ball handler to the floor (and lose the ball btw) require a whistle?

Defender is too wide with the right leg for me to penalize the offense, I've got a block.

Was this video from the Academy Awards last week? I ask because it looks like a best actor performance. :rolleyes:

I've got a block...defender wasn't in the path of the dribbler when the contact occurred.

That is an easy blocking foul.

Block.

I had a regional final last Monday night. B3 boxed out the shooter on a FT and the shooter acted his way to the ground. I told him that the Oscars were last night. Everyone laughed. He didn't do it again.

I've got the defender in position, his left foot outside the arc, and moving sideways at the point of contact.

Easy block.

B1 never had LGP and sticks his right leg in the path of A1. Not even close to anything but a block.

Looked again, you're right. I assumed from positioning that he had LGP, but watching the entire play again (my first assumption was block but I talked myself out of it watching the replays), he doesn't get it before contact.

always LISTEN to bnr!!! :):)

Live and in person, no slo-mo, I got a block, defender caused the contact and caused the OP to lose the ball.

Grunch

Block or trip take your pick.

What's the difference? And what's the signal for trip?

I primarily use the blocking mechanic for both.

I believe NCAA has a tripping signal (and NFHS should as well).

I looks like a block because he sticks his leg out out of his frame. Then again I can see why there was not a call as well.

Peace

They do and I agree.

Peace

Block. Whether the guard had LGP or not (he didn't) it is still a block because the contact was with a leg that was extended beyond the defenders frame....and it caused the dribbler to fall.

Block.

Block, although if the offensive player had kept his footing, I go no call on it. Nice delayed whistle on this one.

There was no whistle on this play.

I meant for me, I would have had a nice delayed whistle :D (at least that's how I picture myself doing it)

how can guys work Big East games when this play occurs and NOT have a whistle?

IMHO it is obviously a block.....a few may think it should have been a charge....but you have GOT TO HAVE A WHISTLE ON THIS!!!!!!

Every time someone falls we have to have a whistle? I do not think you have to have a whistle if you deem the contact was not illegal.

Peace

My thoughts as well. Block.

Close, but I have a block or nothing.

The C is standing there flat footed...never moves to get an angle on the play. No way he can even see what happens there. And then he stands there shaking his head from side to side...all he had to do was take one step up or down and he would have been able to make the call. Have to fight for an angle on plays all the time.

If there is one type of play that John Adams preaches and preaches should be a Freedom of Movement foul this play is it.

He said "this play"...not every play. And I agree with him. This is a block in any game at any level.

When a dribbler and defender collide and both go down, it has to be something.

I think it is a block, but I can see why "this play" was not called either. There is a case to be made that the contact did little to make him fall. Actually I have to see it in slow motion to even make a decision that this is a foul. In real time I might have called nothing. Then again that is me.

Peace

It is an NCAA-M "Absolute"...when contact occurs that causes the ball handler to fall/lose control of the ball, you MUST have a whistle.

Even Ray Charles can see that the contact by the defender (who did not have LGP) caused the dribbler to fall and loose the ball.

this cannot be "nothing"...either a block or a charge, but definitely not "nothing"....

is it incidental contact? NO
is it marginal contact? NO
is it contact that warrants a foul? YES

u actually believe that the contact "did little to make him fall"?...really?

how often do you see an offensive player "flop" by falling to the floor and loose possession of the ball in a tied game w/ 2:16 left all in an effort to "dupe" an official into making a call?

i would bet that Mike Roberts (the C on this play) would LOVE to have a "do over" on this play....if not him, then DEFINITELY Big East Supervisor Art Hyland would....:)

It is an NCAA absolute if the contact caused the falling. It is not an absolute if you feel the player was off balance and fell. Now you can disagree, but every time someone falls does not make it a foul. I am saying an argument can be made. I guess you have never seen a player try to get somewhere they can't and fall down. I see it all the time and why I had to see the video to be more confident in a foul. Unlike some people when I watch video I watch it to see why a call was made or not made. In the real world we get one shot at the call and that is it. I know I have missed calls before, not sure you know what that means listening to you here. ;)

Peace

I have seen several plays where players fall trying to get around defenders. It happens quite a lot in the game of basketball. I did not say anything about flopping, but I see players out of control and fall. Again, I have no idea what basketball you see, but I see a lot of that happening and the defenders do not even have to move to accomplish that very result. And who cares about what the Big East Assignor said because we are not talking about his opinions or previous comments. You do not hear me talking about Dale Kelly or Faulkner do you?

Peace

I'm with you three and most everyone else.

Block.

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Wrong. Ray Charles can't see. He's dead. Been dead for eight years. Someone's been watching too many "Walking Dead" episodes.

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Is there blood on the floor?

Every single time? In this play, I have a block but say you have A1 try to drive past a much larger, stationary B1. A1 clips B1 and falls to the floor sending the ball flying. Are you saying that even though A1 is responsible for contact that does not disadvantage B1, a whistle is required on the play?

If B1's leg is outside of his normal stance than yes is would be a foul on B1.

I understand that but assume it is not and B1 is completely legal.

Then it's nothing.

The Absolute refers to plays where a defender is behind a ball-handler.

I see what you're saying but that's not what I see in the post I quoted.

Yeah, I saw that, that's why I posted. Luckily I don't succumb to GROUPTHINK and just blindly follow other posters. :D

I'll have to disagree with this. The C is in perfect position to referee this play. Only "Move to Improve". C's position has nothing do with him not having a whistle on the play. I'll bet in hindsight that if he had a chance to call it again he would.

Agreed, I think the C had a great look. Just missed the call. I'm quite sure when he saw the tape he said "Doh!!!".

EXACTLY!!!!! Even a blind, dead-man can see that this was a blocking foul....

Ok...then I will have to disagree with you, too. Once the offensive player started his move, the C was looking at nothing but the dribbler's back. No way he could see the knee that got stuck out there by the defender. Imho, that's why he didn't have a whistle on the play. He should have "moved to improve" on this play.

Haven't read comments yet but this is a very close call in real time.

After watching the replay I think it's clearly a block. In real time, I see why this was passed on and think I may have done the same if I was not sure.

Seeing the ballhandler lose the ball though I think I would have gone block. And again, with the advantage of replay I think that's the correct call.

I noticed that, too, when I watched it. I think he couldn't tell who was responsible so he hesitated and eventually gave up on the call.

Agreed...and since we are guessing here, my guess is that he thought the ball handler created contact and he wasn't going to "bail him out" after the player lost the ball. That's why he was shaking his head "no". Again - just guessing here.

Uh-oh, snaqs...more "group think"?? Or is that "GROUP THINK"?:p

You guys are not Ray Charles I see.

Peace

Come on man, it's one word. "GROUPTHINK"
How many flash cards and shock treatments does it take?

Nope, I cannot play the piano (there are a couple of other differences, but that's the most significant one.)

Crap!

No treats at lunch?

Double crap!!:mad:

I think M&M has some of those stupid cookies left.

Nope, all gone.

I'm working on the popcorn now.