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JetMetFan Mon Mar 05, 2012 04:33pm
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Originally Posted by Scratch85 (Post 829960)
Towns submit bids to the IHSAA to host the state tournament. Since class basketball in 1998, it has been said that it is harder to make money hosting the tournament.

Indianapolis is ideal, but new venues such as Canseco and Lucas (both have been used) are expensive and easily booked for other events. They do not want to commit to multiple year contracts with the IHSAA. College gyms (Hinkle) in the Indy area do not want to make multiple year contracts because of conference tournaments.

Ft. Wayne loves High School basketball and would probably host it every year but the southern part of the state doesn't like that. Ft. Wayne and Evansville being the two largest cities behind Indy are on exact opposit ends of the state. Apparently Evansville has not submitted a bid to host the state tournament.

Looking for a site located near central Indiana but not Indy, pretty much leaves Terre Haute. Which pretty much leaves Rose-Hulman (Fighting Engineers) and they probably did the best they could with their court considering it was just a one year contract. Although IN has some of the largest HS gyms in the country, I cannot remember a HS hosting a state tournament game.

Many blame class basketball, many blame the new venues in Indy and others blame the IHSAA. I'm sure all have had an effect on what towns are willing to do to host the state tournament.
Thanks, Scratch. I can imagine it's tough but I don't recall ever seeing highlights of the IN state tournament where a court has been marked up to give the illusion of being 84feet long. I've been searching the internet to try to find out who came up with the idea.

Judtech Mon Mar 05, 2012 05:08pm
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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 829560)
If someone who lives in Indiana could help on this one.

I'm watching the state H.S. finals on ESPN360 and I see they doctored up the court at Indiana State to make it 84 feet instead of 94 feet. I know hoops is huge in the state so they want a large venue but is there no place it could've been held which had a regulation H.S. court? It looks really confusing. :confused:

As someone who grew up in Indiana I can't say this suprised me. They got rid of the best HS format in the country and every pox like thing that happens to the tournament is well deserved!

Adam Mon Mar 05, 2012 06:09pm
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Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 830032)
As someone who grew up in Indiana I can't say this suprised me. They got rid of the best HS format in the country and every pox like thing that happens to the tournament is well deserved!
Yeah, cause small schools don't deserve more than one championship per century.

Where's my smiley?

Rich Mon Mar 05, 2012 06:24pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 830046)
Yeah, cause small schools don't deserve more than one championship per century.

Where's my smiley?
Yeah, really. Why should kids from a small school have any reasonable chance to win? How dare they?

JRutledge Mon Mar 05, 2012 06:54pm
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Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 830032)
As someone who grew up in Indiana I can't say this suprised me. They got rid of the best HS format in the country and every pox like thing that happens to the tournament is well deserved!
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 830046)
Yeah, cause small schools don't deserve more than one championship per century.

Where's my smiley?
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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 830048)
Yeah, really. Why should kids from a small school have any reasonable chance to win? How dare they?
Well they went from 2 classes to 4 classes and people here are still ticked off about it. I think people like the tradition and cannot let that go.

Peace

Welpe Mon Mar 05, 2012 07:00pm
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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 830048)
Yeah, really. Why should kids from a small school have any reasonable chance to win? How dare they?
Come on now, how else were they going to make "Hoosiers 2"?

Adam Mon Mar 05, 2012 07:08pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 830051)
Well they went from 2 classes to 4 classes and people here are still ticked off about it. I think people like the tradition and cannot let that go.

Peace
There was a lot of that reaction when Iowa dropped 6 on 6 girls basketball.

Camron Rust Mon Mar 05, 2012 07:09pm
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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 830048)
Yeah, really. Why should kids from a small school have any reasonable chance to win? How dare they?
You could go all the way to the Oregon model where everyone gets championship! Can't have any little Johnny's upset because they had to compete with a school that had 3 more students!

We have 6 classes in Oregon....across a total of 290 schools, distributed roughly equally across the 6 classes except that 1A has about twice as many as the others (which have around 40 each).

IMO, Oregon doesn't have enough people/schools to justify 6 classes. (Population about 3.8 million). About 5-6 years ago, they changed from 4 classes to 6 classes to give more kids chances to win...more balanced competitively. I wouldn't be surprised if Oregon schools have the smallest number of opponents in their classification of any state in the US.

JRutledge Mon Mar 05, 2012 07:19pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 830053)
There was a lot of that reaction when Iowa dropped 6 on 6 girls basketball.
This is a little different IMO. This was more of a format issue. People loved the Elite 8 format that would bring 8 teams to the State Finals in the two classes. Now there are two titles each weekend and it is seen as taking away the excitement of the entire weekend in many people's minds. And I think 4 classes were two much, 3 would have been better. Big schools like the fact they can compete and play each other. The problem were the smaller schools that would two schools with 50 students could play 500 students. The school with 50 would claim that it was not fair, but funny a few state champions in the old Class A would win titles over the larger schools in that class.

Peace

Judtech Mon Mar 05, 2012 07:58pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 830046)
Yeah, cause small schools don't deserve more than one championship per century.

Where's my smiley?
I think a lot of people would have been happy if they had gone to 2 classes. But I went to be of the smaller HS and always looked forward to our 'shot' against the Big Boys in Sectionals. But that's because winning Sectionals or Reigionals was still a big deal.
Plus, when you could put 60k+ in the stands for a state Championship game you really had something.
Now, it's just like everyone's else. Except apparently Oregon where they just give out participation certificates and call them championships!:)

Judtech Mon Mar 05, 2012 07:59pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 830055)
This is a little different IMO. This was more of a format issue. People loved the Elite 8 format that would bring 8 teams to the State Finals in the two classes. Now there are two titles each weekend and it is seen as taking away the excitement of the entire weekend in many people's minds. And I think 4 classes were two much, 3 would have been better. Big schools like the fact they can compete and play each other. The problem were the smaller schools that would two schools with 50 students could play 500 students. The school with 50 would claim that it was not fair, but funny a few state champions in the old Class A would win titles over the larger schools in that class.

Peace
I think the Whip-Pers of Hampshire High one a class A girls title back in the day

JRutledge Mon Mar 05, 2012 08:11pm
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Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 830065)
I think the Whip-Pers of Hampshire High one a class A girls title back in the day
That school has grown since and is a 3A school now.

Peace

stiffler3492 Mon Mar 05, 2012 08:18pm
I just saw a little bit of the video. That's disgusting.

Judtech Mon Mar 05, 2012 08:29pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 830069)
That school has grown since and is a 3A school now.

Peace
Yeah. It used to be a little country school. Now it's where the rich kids go! Ha. Didn't know it got that big.

JetMetFan Mon Mar 05, 2012 08:43pm
Umm...
 
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Originally Posted by stiffler3492 (Post 830071)
I just saw a little bit of the video. That's disgusting.
You mean of the court in Indiana? ;)


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