Tenn St/Murray St

[truerookie]

I say if this was in the early part of the half. This would be a PC. By it being with 4.4 seconds left you will not get this call.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by truerookie

I say if this was in the early part of the half. This would be a PC. By it being with 4.4 seconds left you will not get this call.

That is awful thinking and I hope that you don't really referee that way.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Brad

That is awful thinking and I hope that you don't really referee that way.

Won't get past middle school with that mindset in most areas.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Won't get past middle school with that mindset in most areas.

Snaqwells you should be a fortune teller. The one thing I will not do is allow GROUPTHINK influence how I should apply a rule. I stand by my assessment. You will not get this call with that little time on the clock versus the early part of the half.

I really enjoy how you and your GROUPTHINK MEMBERS can make an assessment of others and haven't even seen them on the court/film/person or anything.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Snaqwells you should be a fortune teller. The one thing I will not do is allow GROUPTHINK influence how I should apply a rule. I stand by my assessment. You will not get this call with that little time on the clock versus the early part of the half.

I really enjoy how you and your GROUPTHINK MEMBERS can make an assessment of others and haven't even seen them on the court/film/person or anything.

Every stop to think that it's not GROUPTHINK, but several individuals agreeing, which makes it a CONSENSUS?

My response was based on what you WROTE. It's awful thinking. And if you referee like that, it's awful. I don't need to see you on the court to determine that.

You can be a great guy and a good referee and still be wrong

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Brad

Every stop to think that it's not GROUPTHINK, but several individuals agreeing, which makes it a CONSENSUS?

Whoa, whoa, whoa!!!

Brad, we have worked hard to indoctrinate these people over the years. Don't just be throwing away all our brain-washing techniques and calling it "consensus". Geesh.

And as far as the play and the ensuing dialogue...no call at any point in the game. There just isn't enough to call a foul here. And the "don't make that call at the end of a game" mindset really went by the wayside about 6 or 7 years ago.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Snaqwells you should be a fortune teller. The one thing I will not do is allow GROUPTHINK influence how I should apply a rule. I stand by my assessment. You will not get this call with that little time on the clock versus the early part of the half.

I really enjoy how you and your GROUPTHINK MEMBERS can make an assessment of others and haven't even seen them on the court/film/person or anything.

GROUPTHINK? Sort of sounds like a synonym for consistency to me.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

GROUPTHINK? Sort of sounds like a synonym for consistency to me.

, In your opinion.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

GROUPTHINK? Sort of sounds like a synonym for consistency to me.

Ok, I can buy that one Camron.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Snaqwells you should be a fortune teller. The one thing I will not do is allow GROUPTHINK influence how I should apply a rule. I stand by my assessment. You will not get this call with that little time on the clock versus the early part of the half.

I really enjoy how you and your GROUPTHINK MEMBERS can make an assessment of others and haven't even seen them on the court/film/person or anything.

CAPITALIZING IT doesn't make it true, champ.

My issue, and the mindset to which I was referring, is your comment that you would call this early but not late. If you're going to make this call early, you need to make it late as well. The idea that a foul should be let go because of the point in the game is the same shrinking violet mindset that gives us comments like, "the goal of the official is to not be noticed."

Personally, it's a classic case of the defender bailing on the play too soon and turning a possible charging call into a no-call. I'm not calling this in a middle school or high school game, 5 seconds in or with 5 seconds left.

As for my comment that you judged an assessment. It has nothing to do with your ability, but with the mindset. If you're afraid to make a call because it's late in the game, then you'd be better off trying to follow in Doug Gottlieb's footsteps than Karl Hess.

[VaTerp]

IMO this is an EASY no-call at ANY point in the game for the reasons already stated.

And I guess the new thing when your opinion is clearly in the minority is to accuse everyone else of "groupthink." I guess that's easier than "thinking" about your opinion and realizing that you are WRONG.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

IMO this is an EASY no-call at ANY point in the game for the reasons already stated.

And I guess the new thing when your opinion is clearly in the minority is to accuse everyone else of "groupthink." I guess that's easier than "thinking" about your opinion and realizing that you are WRONG.

As my good friend Dave always says:

"When it's you against the world, back the world."

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

CAPITALIZING IT doesn't make it true, champ.

My issue, and the mindset to which I was referring, is your comment that you would call this early but not late. If you're going to make this call early, you need to make it late as well. The idea that a foul should be let go because of the point in the game is the same shrinking violet mindset that gives us comments like, "the goal of the official is to not be noticed."

Personally, it's a classic case of the defender bailing on the play too soon and turning a possible charging call into a no-call. I'm not calling this in a middle school or high school game, 5 seconds in or with 5 seconds left.

As for my comment that you judged an assessment. It has nothing to do with your ability, but with the mindset. If you're afraid to make a call because it's late in the game, then you'd be better off trying to follow in Doug Gottlieb's footsteps than Karl Hess.

Snaqwells, I am aware of that. I am enjoying this . I take a position different from others for the sake of discussion. I still stand behind my assesment though.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Snaqwells, I am aware of that. I am enjoying this . I take a position different from others for the sake of discussion. I still stand behind my assesment though.

You still say you'd call this a foul early in the game? But you wouldn't in the last 5 seconds when it matters most?

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Brad

That is awful thinking and I hope that you don't really referee that way.

How is this awful? The shooter is airborne returns back to the floor safely and still crashes into the defender.