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Interesting no-call on a "trip" . 7:55 remaining first half.

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It's at about 4:06

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I have no idea whether the defender clipped the ball-handler's heel, but if not he tripped himself and then pushed the ball-handler down.

It appears he clipped his heel.

He definitely did not push the defender after tripping - he and the defender start going down at the same time, and it does appear (to me) that what caused them both to trip simultaneously was the defender stepping on the offensive player.

I've got incidental contact here. What, you want to penalize the defensive player just for running behind the offensive player?

Good no-call.

I know this is NCAA and I do not know the NCAA rule set, but do you hold the same opinion in FED?

This is one of those examples where you have to know there was contact before calling the foul. I had to run it back a few times before I was convinced there was a trip. Considering the lead's angle, I can easily see why no call was made.

Fiasco's statement is ridiculous. The defender tripped the offensive player. This cannot be incidental contact, and should be called a foul on any level.

this is easy....this is a FOUL every day of the week and THREE times on Sunday!

Not sure what the lead was thinking (must have been surprised by it), but that is a foul. If I'm C - I'm blowing my whistle and then receiving a "long-distance" "thumbs up" from John Adams back in Indy!

That's a foul. end of story.

Define "tripped."

Seriously? The player behind is responsible for contact. He's not just running behind the player, he's running into the player from behind.

I can't see the video here at work (all YouTube videos cut off after no more than a minute), but if there is any contact between A1 and B1, B1 is behind, and A1 goes to the floor, then it's a foul on B1.

As it relates to the OP, I agree.

FED only: If A1 and B1 are traveling in the same direction, any contact that occurs is the responsibility of B1. If B1 is approaching from an angle, normal screening rules apply to the dribbler.

I don't know how you don't have a foul on this play.

It looks like a foul, but I am not sure it is a foul. It looks like he could have tripped himself up and yes players fall on their own often. If I called a foul based on this angle, it would be a reasonable guess but still a guess.

Peace

since they both go down at the same time it is clear the defender caused the contact (even without all the slow mo replays). I have a foul.

Defensive foul. Not even close.

This is what I was have. The contact may be accidental, but not incidental. A clear advantage was gained from the contact.

That's an easy foul on the defensive player.

Agreed, but the fact (obvious in replay, probably not so obvious in real time) that these two begin their falls to the ground simultaneously leads me to relative certainty that the foot-to-foot contact is what caused it.

I agree with those saying 100% foul, but not with those that don't understand how it wasn't called - I doubt anyone was POSITIVE of a foul without looking at the play more than once and likely slowed down.

"Fouled." There's a difference between the terms "incidental" and "accidental." The latter does not necessarily equal the former.

After actually watching it, I really can't understand the no-call. Unless they both miraculously tripped over themselves at exactly the same moment, this one calls itself.

Looks like the lead wants to give the ball back to the offense, but can't justify it since he didn't call the foul. He should have just called the foul.

"Just give the ball back to XYZ instead of whistling the foul" has kinda gone to the wayside. And I don't think coaches liked much anyway. Now folks are looking at it as 2 missed calls--missed foul; called the ball out on the wrong team.

Possible, I don't use it much anymore, and never in a situation like this.

This is one situation where an educated guess is necessary. No eyes are fast enough to see the foot step on the heel. It's still a foul.

Agreed.

I have passed on trips before because I couldnt/didnt see the contact so I can understand a no call.

But in this situation with the player having a clear path to the basket and the way they fell, I think the foul HAS to be called here. And with the advantage of replay its an OBVIOUS foul.

But again, this is a spot where an educated guess is necessary.

No, you want to penalize the defender for knocking down the offensive player which is what he did.

If the offensive player had been the only one to fall I would say the kid tripped over his own feet but since the defender also fell - and they fell at the same time - there had to be some contact. Putting a late whistle on this wouldn't have been optimal but it would've been better than nothing at all.

+1

A good instance of looking for disruption to RSQB...in real time, the ball handler suddenly deviated from his line and lost his balance(and hit the hardwood immediately thereafter)...guessing that the defender caused it is going to be right 90% of the time. Call the foul. Doubt anyone other than a real hard-head coach is going to dispute it.

Foul. The end.

Foul

Well the defender should not be in that situation so calling the foul is OK by me. But looking at the video I can see a case for not calling a foul. Real time this is probably an easy call.

Peace

There are two fouls here.

One on the defensive player.

And one to someone who thinks this isn't a foul.