Blood on player at media timeout

brainbrian

NCAA - Ref notices blood on A1 and stops the game. This would be the media timeout. Does A1 get the media timeout to correct the blood situation or does the blood situation need to be corrected before the media timeout should start?

I can't seem to find anything in my books to support either side.

JRutledge

Now I am not sure if it matters during a timeout as the rule is not exactly like the HS rule. I believe they get 20 seconds to correct the situation, but that is if they stop play. This sounds like something that is not exactly the situation. I will have to review the rules in place to know for sure as this sounds like a little different application.

Peace

JetMetFan

brainbrian wrote
NCAA - Ref notices blood on A1 and stops the game. This would be the media timeout. Does A1 get the media timeout to correct the blood situation or does the blood situation need to be corrected before the media timeout should start?

I can't seem to find anything in my books to support either side.

To keep a player in the game after the 20-second interval to deal with a blood situation the 'team' has to request a time out. If the team doesn't call time out, the player has to come out. All of that should be resolved before even dealing with the media time out (it would be the same thing if A1 fouled out at a media time out...A1 has to be replaced before we can do anything else).

I'm e-mailing Debbie Williamson about it for a rule citation connected to this particular scenario but it makes sense.

brainbrian

JetMetFan wrote
To keep a player in the game after the 20-second interval to deal with a blood situation the 'team' has to request a time out

If this is the case then it brings me to another question...

If team A then calls a time-out to keep A1 in the game, then I assume the media time-out will take place at the NEXT dead ball?

JetMetFan

brainbrian wrote
If this is the case then it brings me to another question...

If team A then calls a time-out to keep A1 in the game, then I assume the media time-out will take place at the NEXT dead ball?

Yes, unless the time out Team A uses is the first one called by either team in the second half. In that case, Team A's time out would be a media time out and the next dead ball after that would result in a media time out.

By the way, still waiting for official word.

JetMetFan

Here's the response I received today from Debbie Williamson:

The blood procedure must be followed before going to the media timeout. Please see CCA Women’s Basketball Officiating Manual 2011-12 on Page 119-120 Section 3.4.6 for the entire answer to your question. See below an excerpt.

Media Timeout. When a player is bleeding or has a blood/contact issue in a media-timeout window, the head coach has the same three options. If they want to keep the player in the game, the situation must be remedied in 20 seconds. If it is remedied in the 20-second interval, the media timeout may then begin. If the situation can’t be remedied, they still have options 1.b and 1.c above (be charged with a timeout or substitute). If they want to call a timeout, it shall be charged and will run concurrently with the media
timeout. If it is the first called timeout of the second half, it shall be a media timeout. The media timeout alone DOES NOT “buy” any player back into the
game. If they don’t want to use a timeout, a substitute must report to the scorer before the media timeout begins.

brainbrian

Thanks a lot JetMetFan. Glad you did not forget about this. 🙂

JetMetFan

brainbrian wrote
Thanks a lot JetMetFan. Glad you did not forget about this. 🙂

No problem. It took this long for Debbie to respond but I figured she would.

Scrapper1

This is the part that is most interesting to me:

If they want to call a timeout, it shall be charged and will run concurrently with the media timeout

So they get charged with a time-out, but they only get the time for the media time-out. And the next dead ball is NOT a media time-out.

brainbrian

Scrapper1 wrote
but they only get the time for the media time-out

Well, the media time-out would be longer than if they had just gotten the time for a regular time-out. But yes, this seemed quite strange to me too.

rockyroad

Scrapper1 wrote
This is the part that is most interesting to me:

So they get charged with a time-out, but they only get the time for the media time-out. And the next dead ball is NOT a media time-out.

Isn't the media timeout longer than the called timeout? So that's not really a problem...

It makes sense that they wouldn't get to use the media to take care of that - there needs to be a "cost" to them to keep that player in the game.

brainbrian

rockyroad wrote
Isn't the media timeout longer than the called timeout?

Yes, the called timeouts are 30 or 60 seconds and the media timeouts depend on the media agreement, but will be longer, usually 75 seconds or sometimes even 120 seconds.

Raymond

Think about what the rule is if each team has a bloodied player. If each team wants their player wants their player to return each has to be charged a time-out.